Official 2012 NBA Draft Thread

[The Young One]

@blazersedge: UConn G Jeremy Lamb on UConn C Andre Drummond's NBA potential: "It depends on if he wants to work."

Wow

 

[Pugz]

i think nola is one of the smarter members. his homer-ism just blinds us at times.

i gave up making smart posts. i just talk what i wanna talk about.

 

[elcheato]

Wow

It's pretty funny coming from another guy who is labeled as having a questionable motor and work ethic.

 

[Pugz]

if your own teammate is calling you out though. damn

 

[jonathanlambert33]

What exactly have I been a homer about today specifically though?

Because I don't agree that Bradley Beal is the second coming?

 

[The Young One]

It's pretty funny coming from another guy who is labeled as having a questionable motor and work ethic.

That's one of the funnier things about it..But it says volumes about Drummond.

 

[elcheato]

Are you insinuating that Eric Gordon is the second coming? Because that's who I compared him to.

 

[Elite]

Because you just said that Beal won't be as good as Eric Gordon, when you never would have said that if he wasn't a Hornet

 

[The Young One]

I don't think Beal is as explosive a athlete as EG is for sure..He's a good athlete..I was a bigger fan of EG coming out.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Are you insinuating that Eric Gordon is the second coming? Because that's who I compared him to.

I'm saying if Eric Gordon gets past the injury bug I don't think Beal will be as good as him, maybe close, but I think Gordon will go down as the better player once their careers are over. What's wrong with that? Hell, when did I go out of my way in the post that started this to even mention Eric Gordon? Does mentioning Eric Gordon when he's a comparison for Bradley Beal make me a homer somehow?

I think MKG will be a better SF than Al-Farouq Aminu? And that Damian Lillard and Kendall Marshall will be better than Jarrett Jack and Greivis Vasquez? Or that if Austin Rivers is drafted at 10 to the Hornets and Jeremy Lamb is drafted at 13 to the Suns, that I think Lamb will be the better player? What then?

Maybe I just form my own opinion, ever thought of that one?

 

[elcheato]

I'm saying if Eric Gordon gets past the injury bug I don't think Beal will be as good as him, maybe close, but I think Gordon will go down as the better player once their careers are over. What's wrong with that?

I think MKG will be a better SF than Al-Farouq Aminu? And that Damian Lillard and Kendall Marshall will be better than Jarrett Jack and Greivis Vasquez? Or that if Austin Rivers is drafted at 10 to the Hornets and Jeremy Lamb is drafted at 13 to the Suns, that I think Lamb will be the better player? What then?

Maybe I just have an opinion, ever thought of that one?

I'm not even one of the people driving this homer train that has been thrown at you for some reason, I'm just saying you are underrating Beal. They have similar body types, both are pretty good athletes, very good shooters, can get to the rim and finish.

Beal could be worse, but that doesn't mean a comparison is invalid.

 

[Pugz]

What exactly have I been a homer about today specifically though?

Because I don't agree that Bradley Beal is the second coming?

most of your players can do no wrong. at least thats how most of your posts about them sound.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

I'm not even one of the people driving this homer train that has been thrown at you for some reason, I'm just saying you are underrating Beal. They have similar body types, both are pretty good athletes, very good shooters, can get to the rim and finish.

Beal could be worse, but that doesn't mean a comparison is invalid.

My exact words:

So I mean, I like Beal, I think he will be a very good player, but I think some of the hype or comparisons are kind of getting out of hand. He isn't the next Ray Allen, he isn't Eric Gordon, etc. To answer your question though, I think he's worth a top 3 pick because he's a good blend of ready to contribute now and a high ceiling. He's not really a risk I guess.

Don't think I can underrate someone when I say I think they'll will be a very good player.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

most of your players can do no wrong. at least thats how most of your posts about them sound.

Nah, reading comprehension just isn't anyone's strong suit (including mine, admittedly).

I just like some Hornets more than others. I just happen to think if Eric Gordon ever stays healthy, he'll be one of the best SG's the league has to offer as Kobe and DWade age (who you thought would be the 5th best SG this year, even ahead of Manu, might I add). Chris Kaman, Jarrett Jack, Xavier Henry, Trevor Ariza, Marco Belinelli, Emeka Okafor. Not really a fan of any of those guys. I go against in the norm in thinking that Carl Landry is better than Gustavo Ayon.

 

[elcheato]

You made it seem like a comparison to Gordon is outlandish, and all I'm saying is, it's not. They're pretty similar. Gordon got to the line more in College, but he was Indiana's primary ball handler.

 

[Pugz]

Nah, reading comprehension just isn't anyone's strong suit (including mine, admittedly).

I just like some Hornets more than others. I just happen to think if Eric Gordon ever stays healthy, he'll be one of the best SG's the league has to offer as Kobe and DWade age (who you thought would be the 5th best SG this year, even ahead of Manu, might I add). Chris Kaman, Jarrett Jack, Xavier Henry, Trevor Ariza, Marco Belinelli, Emeka Okafor. Not really a fan of any of those guys. I go against in the norm in thinking that Carl Landry is better than Gustavo Ayon.

its not even about just certain players. you love throwing the injury card about most "stars" who have had bad injuries but with eg you hardly mention it(i know you just did but other than that i cant remember you saying it).


anyways, as ive said i do value your knowledge. so lets just drop this and get back to the draft lol

 

[bosoxlover12]

Jeff Taylor with a few years of coaching could be really good IMO

 

[jonathanlambert33]

You made it seem like a comparison to Gordon is outlandish, and all I'm saying is, it's not. They're pretty similar. Gordon got to the line more in College, but he was Indiana's primary ball handler.

From what I saw in a very limited sample, they aren't as similar as people want to believe.

Beal is obviously bigger.
Beal probably has better range if he regains his stroke.
Beal is a MUCH better rebounder.
Beal is more content with the jumper.
Beal doesn't pound the ball, Gordon does.
Gordon is more athletic.
Gordon has better command of the ball.
Gordon is subject to more turns.
Gordon is probably a better playmaker/creator.
Gordon wants to go around you, Beal wants to rise up over you for a jumper.

 

[elcheato]

You see it as excuses, but again, Beal didn't have the chance to showcase everything he had in terms of play making and just getting to the rim himself. He was playing with two PGs as opposed to Gordon, who was basically playing as Indiana's PG his one year there. Gordon even took more 3's per game as a freshman. He did get to the line a lot more than Beal though, like I previously stated.

Gordon had a 40 inch max vert at his combine, as opposed to Beal's 39 inch very, but Beal is an inch taller and his standing reach is 1 inch above Gordon. Now, I realize vertical isn't the end all be all in terms of athleticism, but he's right there with him.

 

[Elite]

I don't see why legitimate reasons for why guys don't meet expectations are always viewed at as excuses and in every instance it was always the players fault