Dwightmare Over! 4-Way Deal

[$tunna]

I don't see why anyone is arguing that the Magic should have even considered trading Dwight within the division but that's just me...

Counterproductive as fuck.

Dealing him to the Lakers for no franchise player to even build around wasn't? lol

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Lol we're still talking about Joe Johnson? Ya'll are reviving the Lakers here and arguably making them the best team in the league while receiving not even the third best player in the deal. I just don't think I would take "hope" over an all-star player.

I mean I understand that getting picks is great and all, having young players to build with is good. I'm just saying it's going to take a lot longer to build that route than to build with young players that already have established themselves and have potential! There's not a GM that wouldn't want a player like Horford on their team. Don't you think he'd actually be loyal to your team and stick around? Weren't Dwight and Shaq both the types of players you hoped to get and take you to a championship? Ya'll have just as many rings as the Hawks over the past decade and ya'll had the most dominant center in the game today..

What do the Lakers matter to the Magic though? That's 2000+ miles away.

And to your point, sure those are decent players. But do you want players like Horford on your team when you're trying to rebuild? No offense to Mr. Horford, but no. Horford can make a team better, and the Magic are likely going to try and be as bad as possible for the next year or two, in order to increase their odds of getting a good draft pick. I'd rather have young players, go through growing pains, and hopefully reap the benefits in a few years. We're clearly trying to follow the OKC model. How successful we are remains to be seen.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Dealing him to the Lakers for no franchise player to even build around wasn't? lol

So Al Horford is a franchise player now?

:fryface:

 

[$tunna]

What do the Lakers matter to the Magic though? That's 2000+ miles away.

And to your point, sure those are decent players. But do you want players like Horford on your team when you're trying to rebuild? No offense to Mr. Horford, but no. Horford can make a team better, and the Magic are likely going to try and be as bad as possible for the next year or two, in order to increase their odds of getting a good draft pick. I'd rather have young players, go through growing pains, and hopefully reap the benefits in a few years. We're clearly trying to follow the OKC model. How successful we are remains to be seen.

They're almost handing the Lakers a ring lol what do you mean what do they matter? You remember when they got Shaq? Those were rings that could have been in Orlando if they handled things better.

I'm sorry man but how often does the "OKC" Model work? In fact should we really look at how many teams have been trying the "OKC" model and are still in "Hope" mode? I just don't think having "hope" is better than having wins.

 

[$tunna]

So Al Horford is a franchise player now?

:fryface:

He's a lot closer to it than Aaron Afflalo

:kanye:

 

[CameronCrazy06]

They're almost handing the Lakers a ring lol what do you mean what do they matter? You remember when they got Shaq? Those were rings that could have been in Orlando if they handled things better.

I'm sorry man but how often does the "OKC" Model work? In fact should we really look at how many teams have been trying the "OKC" model and are still in "Hope" mode? I just don't think having "hope" is better than having wins.

Shaq was never going to stay in Orlando and neither was Dwight. And why do the Magic care who wins the championship if they don't? Lol. Personally I'd rather have the Lakers win it than the Heat. How often does the OKC model work? How many times has it been tried is the better question. Not many that I can think of.

If you'd rather be an average team than have hope of building a contender, that's your prerogative. I just strongly disagree with it. Either you go for a title or you build a team that can do so in a few years.

He's a lot closer to it than Aaron Afflalo

:kanye:

Yeah but is it better than Shabazz/Cody Zeller/Jabari/Wiggins/Julius Randle if things work out as planned? Gotta take risks.

 

[playmaker7]

Dealing him to the Lakers for no franchise player to even build around wasn't? lol

Counterproductive is trading him to a team in the division for players that wouldn't help them win a championship now. If they were to become better than Miami then it's a maybe, but there was no way that trading with the Hawks would help them become at contender in any way, form, or fashion. The Hawks aren't a contender themselves with anything they have there so what could they give the Magic to help them out?

They're rebuilding and that's obvious now. No point in barely making the playoffs every year when you could be starting over in hopes of doing it later.

Trading him to the Lakers for no franchise player like Bynum wasn't the smartest of choices, but Bynum gave no indication he would sign there so it's like if you gamble and lose, you're done for a LONGGGGGGGGGG time, longer than they're done with this scrub ass team they have now.

You feel me

 

[$tunna]

Shaq was never going to stay in Orlando and neither was Dwight. And why do the Magic care who wins the championship if they don't? Lol. Personally I'd rather have the Lakers win it than the Heat. How often does the OKC model work? How many times has it been tried is the better question. Not many that I can think of.

If you'd rather be an average team than have hope of building a contender, that's your prerogative. I just strongly disagree with it. Either you go for a title or you build a team that can do so in a few years.


Yeah but is it better than Shabazz/Cody Zeller/Jabari/Wiggins/Julius Randle if things work out as planned? Gotta take risks.

LOL Breh, take it from someone who's seen him play in real life, Randle will not get you a championship and I'd take an all-star over any of those players that haven't played a single NBA game yet.

And in this case (referring to the statement in bold)the Magic are doing neither lol. There are plenty teams trying to build with young players and trade to put players around them and you know what happens to them? They lose to teams that get franchise players from teams like the Magic, who give them up willingly for hope.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

LOL Breh, take it from someone who's seen him play in real life, Randle will not get you a championship and I'd take an all-star over any of those players that haven't played a single NBA game yet.

And in this case (referring to the statement in bold)the Magic are doing neither lol. There are plenty teams trying to build with young players and trade to put players around them and you know what happens to them? They lose to teams that get franchise players from teams like the Magic, who give them up willingly for hope.

So you're honestly telling me the Magic could have contended with a core of Horford and Teague? Stop the comedy act man.

I'd think you'd know better after watching your team just go through this. The Hawks tried to keep their non-championship contender core together, and stay average/good. And look what happened, they had to trade Joe Johnson for next-to-nothing in order to get out of purgatory. So how the hell could the Magic win with a core of Horford and Teague when the Hawks couldn't do that WITH Josh Smith and Joe Johnson added to it? Is the goal of the NBA not to try and win championships? I don't think they hang banners for getting the 5th seed every year.

 

[$tunna]

Counterproductive is trading him to a team in the division for players that wouldn't help them win a championship now. If they were to become better than Miami then it's a maybe, but there was no way that trading with the Hawks would help them become at contender in any way, form, or fashion. The Hawks aren't a contender themselves with anything they have there so what could they give the Magic to help them out?

They're rebuilding and that's obvious now. No point in barely making the playoffs every year when you could be starting over in hopes of doing it later.

Trading him to the Lakers for no franchise player like Bynum wasn't the smartest of choices, but Bynum gave no indication he would sign there so it's like if you gamble and lose, you're done for a LONGGGGGGGGGG time, longer than they're done with this scrub ass team they have now.

You feel me

Breh, trading him to a team outside of the division for players that wouldn't help them win a championship now is really that much better?

The Hawks could have at least gave them good pieces to build with, I don't see how you guys think they'll skip straight to being a title contender after one or two draft picks. As if they will never be a team that has to make the playoffs and not be a 1-4 seed.

I feel like it would have been just as long of a wait trying to add on players to the pieces they could've got as it will trying to draft players then add them to that team.

I just think if you're going into rebuild mode you mine as well start with something

 

[$tunna]

So you're honestly telling me the Magic could have contended with a core of Horford and Teague? Stop the comedy act man.

I'd think you'd know better after watching your team just go through this. The Hawks tried to keep their non-championship contender core together, and stay average/good. And look what happened, they had to trade Joe Johnson for next-to-nothing in order to get out of purgatory.

LOL I'd think you'd know better after watching the Magic go through this, the Magic had one of the most dominant centers in the game. Lost him for nothing and spent years trying to get back to being a title contender. They finally get the player they want to build around, they build a title contender and still win just as many rings as the Hawks. Now trading their franchise dominant big to another team where he can possibly win multiple rings while the Magic sit and wait for another franchise player to go the same route with.

You can say you'd prefer to deal him to the Lakers for scrubs all day but I still think you guys are just setting yourselves back even further than you have too. You're honestly telling me Magic fans are gonna be happier with "hope" than actual wins and a young all-star player?

It's all good though, you gotta sit through those L's not me.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

So let me ask you, which player would you rather have: Al Horford or Anthony Davis? You eluded to this in your earlier post that you would rather have Horford, a proven good player (15/10), over any rookie.

If you're a contending team, MAYBE you take Horford if you believe that's the last piece to the puzzle. But if you're a rebuilding team like the Magic? You take Davis 1000 times out of 1000.

 

[playmaker7]

Breh, trading him to a team outside of the division for players that wouldn't help them win a championship now is really that much better?

The Hawks could have at least gave them good pieces to build with, I don't see how you guys think they'll skip straight to being a title contender after one or two draft picks. As if they will never be a team that has to make the playoffs and not be a 1-4 seed.

I feel like it would have been just as long of a wait trying to add on players to the pieces they could've got as it will trying to draft players then add them to that team.

I just think if you're going into rebuild mode you mine as well start with something

Uhm...fucking duh. Why do they really want Dwight, the best center in the league, in their division helping some other team block them from ever winning that division let alone a championship? That's idiotic to think that would help them in any way at their goal of winning big.

Good pieces to build with like what? They don't have any good pieces like that to build around so it's lose-lose either way on the Magic's part. It was already lose-lose that you had to trade Dwight because no package can really make up for that. But it'd be one cold day in Orlando before the Magic front office have low enough self esteem to build around Al Horford...

Well starting with something when you're rebuilding isn't always the best option. Might as well suck and get a higher pick with nothing...

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Uhm...fucking duh. Why do they really want Dwight, the best center in the league, in their division helping some other team block them from ever winning that division let alone a championship? That's idiotic to think that would help them in any way at their goal of winning big.

Good pieces to build with like what? They don't have any good pieces like that to build around so it's lose-lose either way on the Magic's part. It was already lose-lose that you had to trade Dwight because no package can really make up for that. But it'd be one cold day in Orlando before the Magic front office have low enough self esteem to build around Al Horford...

Well starting with something when you're rebuilding isn't always the best option. Might as well suck and get a higher pick with nothing...

Amen!

 

[$tunna]

So let me ask you, which player would you rather have: Al Horford or Anthony Davis? You eluded to this in your earlier post that you would rather have Horford, a proven good player (15/10), over any rookie.

If you're a contending team, MAYBE you take Horford if you believe that's the last piece to the puzzle. But if you're a rebuilding team like the Magic? You take Davis 1000 times out of 1000.

Lol right now you got neither bro.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Lol right now you got neither bro.

I was asking you a hypothetical question, don't be a smart-ass.

 

[$tunna]

Uhm...fucking duh. Why do they really want Dwight, the best center in the league, in their division helping some other team block them from ever winning that division let alone a championship? That's idiotic to think that would help them in any way at their goal of winning big.

Good pieces to build with like what? They don't have any good pieces like that to build around so it's lose-lose either way on the Magic's part. It was already lose-lose that you had to trade Dwight because no package can really make up for that. But it'd be one cold day in Orlando before the Magic front office have low enough self esteem to build around Al Horford...

Well starting with something when you're rebuilding isn't always the best option. Might as well suck and get a higher pick with nothing...

Oh yeah I forgot that it's not a cold day when the team is building around hope..
And yeah the Lakers definitely won't keep the Magic from winning a ring lol. You're right man having Al Horford on their team would definitely keep them from winning games. I mean the league is filled with teams that have been lotto the past couple seasons that are clearly getting rings soon.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Oh yeah I forgot that it's not a cold day when the team is building around hope..
And yeah the Lakers definitely won't keep the Magic from winning a ring lol. You're right man having Al Horford on their team would definitely keep them from winning games. I mean the league is filled with teams that have been lotto the past couple seasons that are clearly getting rings soon.

No, he'd keep us from losing games, which is the goal for the next 2 seasons at least.

Honestly what don't you get about that? It's not rocket science.

 

[$tunna]

I was asking you a hypothetical question, don't be a smart-ass.

Do you really think the Magic are guaranteed a number one pick? Because tbh that's one thing the Magic have had that the Hawks haven't in the past 20 years for sure. I think that changes the way both teams have had to build, funny how neither has gotten a ring though..

 

[playmaker7]

Oh yeah I forgot that it's not a cold day when the team is building around hope..
And yeah the Lakers definitely won't keep the Magic from winning a ring lol. You're right man having Al Horford on their team would definitely keep them from winning games. I mean the league is filled with teams that have been lotto the past couple seasons that are clearly getting rings soon.

Shabazz is a better bet than Teague and Horford combined.

Thing is...you kinda gotta make it out of your conference to face the Lakers if they were to make it to the Finals. And thing is...you kinda don't want to strengthen the players in your division because that only hurts you...

The Magic aren't getting shit anytime soon and they know that so hey, new GM, new start.