Cavs Now Offering Wiggins for Love

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We have a shade under 2 mill in cap room. We would have to move Varejao, Bennett and Thompson/Waiters to match salaries if Wiggins is unsigned and we trade his draft rights

Which is why Wiggins could hold out. His potential contract is pivotal to match salaries
 

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I thought I read Bennett + Wiggins would work salary wise. I'm sure you can sign and trade a rookie?!
 
 
I don't really get what Flip is doing though. They act like they have all the time in the world. They're not gonna get any better offers the closer we get to the trade deadline. They have no leverage.
 

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Can't trade a rookie if he signs his contract for 30 days.
 

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elcheato said:
Not anytime soon. Why trade our young assets when they haven't even played a game with LeBron yet? He's only going to make them look even better, thus more valuable. Minnesota continues to lose leverage as the days pass. If they won't accept a deal without Wiggins, oh well. Holding onto Wiggins isn't the worst thing in the world. If the Wolves really want a package centered around Harrison Barnes and David Lee, watch their franchise crumble and laugh while Wiggins is soaring.
 
Also: Nearly impossible for the Cavs to match salaries without gutting the roster while Wiggins remains unsigned. And once he signs we cant move him for a month.
 
No one has brought this up, but what if Wiggins' and his agent refuse to sign the deal until they get a guarantee he wont be traded? Or just hold out until October
We still have 2 and a half months until they get started. That's why they can afford to play hardball right now. But when we are two weeks away from players reporting to camp and Love is still in Minnesota you'll see the teams trying to acquire him start to budge. Minnesota isn't losing leverage, they have the leverage because they have the most desirable player. As long as Love is a Wolve they can always come back to these discussions, even if they are at the trade deadline. That's how these things work. As long as they don't jump the gun and stay patient, they stand a good chance at striking a deal and getting what they want. For whatever reason people on this forum always believe the team with the most desirable player has less leverage than the team trying to acquire said player. We have seen that is not true time and time again.
 

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That leverage will fade when said player has openly stated that he wants out.
 

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No prospect close to Wiggins caliber has been dealt in a deal for a star demanding to be traded with free agency looming. It doesn't happen, teams don't give up their very best assets when they know the other team has to move them or lose them for nothing.
 

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elcheato said:
No prospect close to Wiggins caliber has been dealt in a deal for a star demanding to be traded with free agency looming. It doesn't happen, teams don't give up their very best assets when they know the other team has to move them or lose them for nothing.
How many times has a star been dealt to a team that has an asset like Wiggins? It doesn't happen because this is the first time we have seen anything like this. It would be more frequent if stars wanted to go to a team that was poor the previous season. This is uncommon ground.
 

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buzzy said:
That leverage will fade when said player has openly stated that he wants out.
Teams know behind closed doors whether a player of Love's caliber wants out. Having ESPN report it doesn't change anything. Minnesota isn't going to rush the process just to help Kevin Love out. Unless they get impatient he will be on their opening day roster if they don't get a offer they deem worthy.
 

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How many times has a star been dealt to a team that has an asset like Wiggins? It doesn't happen because this is the first time we have seen anything like this. It would be more frequent if stars wanted to go to a team that was poor the previous season. This is uncommon ground.
Just because you have more doesn't mean you have to give more. You base offers on precedence. Giving up Wiggins, based on history, is an overpay
 

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Neither Cleveland or Minnesota are saying "well Orlando, New Orleans, Denver, etc" didn't get a player with the potential of Wiggins so we aren't giving or taking a player like Wiggins. Neither team is worried about what has happened in the past. They are worried about themselves. If Cleveland doesn't want to give up Wiggins it will be for their own reasons, not because it would be more than what others have given up in the past. You can't just say it's an overpay based on history because there is no history with this case. This is a first, a special case, it will start its own history. When's the next time we will see anything like this again? It's completely separated from those other trades and will be treated as such. If a deal is made, Wiggins will be the sticking point. If not, Love will be headed elsewhere. Minnesota has zero incentive to budge. When these teams realize they are about to lose out on Love they will up their offer. We would be remiss if it was not mentioned that Minnesota reportedly prefers Thompson to Wiggins also. That could mean a lot of things.
 

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Actually they do have incentive to budge, because their top offer is based on David Lee.

The Wolves don't have to budge, that's fine, because the Cavs don't either. Andrew Wiggins on a rookie deal is something I would have interest in keeping.
 

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Hey I'm with you. I've said it in the past, I wouldn't move Wiggins for Love. And I'm not even nearly as high as him as you are, I think at best he's Paul George and I'm not sure ho likely he is to even get there. But neither of us are David Griffin either. He knows he sort of committed to winning now when he signed LeBron and the team as currently constructed isn't good enough to beat a Western Conference team four times over seven games in the Finals. He has a lot on his shoulders.
 

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Maybe I'm crazy, but I still believe the Cavs will end up with Love, and still have Wiggins on the roster.
 
At least my dreams think so.
 

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Yeah if I'm the Cavs there is no way I'm giving up both Wiggins and Bennett along with a 1st rounder for Love when Love will be a FA in year. Love is a good player not a great one, why risk two top prospects on him when one could potentially be a super star...
 

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he'd agree to an extension before the trade
 

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While I don't think he'd flake the Cavs, he's not gonna sign that extension until the off-season so it is still a small risk
 

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https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/492401508621635586

Pretty much official that Wiggins has been offered.
 

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Fwiw Amico said there's no actual Wiggins offer yet. 
 

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Whyd they sign wiggins?
 

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