Chris Paul Thread!

[jonathanlambert33]

If the team starts winning and generating fan revenue it won't matter if he was cheap before. He's gonna make the money he "invests" back. Probably more.

Team isn't going to start winning all of a sudden.

There best bet at winning was trading for Chris Paul. Seems like they thought the league and Stern was asking for too. Which personally I'd agree with. The deal with Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, and the first was good. I think that may have even been accepted both ways. But there was no reason to ask for ANOTHER pick and Eric Bledsoe.

 

[DJT]

Its possible.

Even without Paul, I expect them to have a good season...maybe even especially without Paul. I kinda like Gordon, and that pick next year...

 

[Pugz]

no cp3 isnt their best chance at winning. they have a good team already..

 

[jonathanlambert33]

no cp3 isnt their best chance at winning. they have a good team already..

A good team? That's overstating it, but CP isn't their best chance at winning? LOL

That team with CP3 on it is ALOT better than that team as it currently stands without CP3.

Playoff team with him, lottery team without him.

 

[Yankees2772]

I think they are a playoff team with Butler..

 

[Pugz]

A good team? That's overstating it, but CP isn't their best chance at winning? LOL

That team with CP3 on it is ALOT better than that team as it currently stands without CP3.

Playoff team with him, lottery team without him.

dude, they arent a lottery team. they have a real solid team. ok, they may be LOW lottery. but they are on the right track. sure landing cp3 makes them better but theyd be really weak at the starting two.

Billups/Mo
EG/Foye
Caron/Aminu/Gomes
Blake/Trey Tompkins
DJ/Kaman

thats not a playoff team? ok..




i dont understand your logic. it seems like you go from being happy with the deal and then you dont like it, then you hate the nba and now you dont see how this deal doesnt work.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

dude, they arent a lottery team. they have a real solid team. ok, they may be LOW lottery. but they are on the right track. sure landing cp3 makes them better but theyd be really weak at the starting two.

Billups/Mo
EG/Foye
Caron/Aminu/Gomes
Blake/Trey Tompkins
DJ/Kaman

thats not a playoff team? ok

I'd agree they are on the right track, but just because they are on the right track doesn't mean they are a) a good team or b) a playoff team

That is still a team that doesn't play very much defense. Billups age has caught up with him and he's to slow footed to compete on the defensive end with younger NBA PG's. Eric Gordon puts out good effort on the defensive end, but his short stature and lack of length really limits his effectiveness on that end. Caron Butler is your classic good passing lane defender, but he isn't interested in playing team D and has a poor rep around the league as a defender, it's just not what he does or wants to do. Not to mention he had a significant injury and hasn't played NBA basketball in nearly a year. Blake Griffin has all the tools to be a elite defender but he just kind of drags, don't mistake someone being a excellent rebounder for being a excellent defender. I've also witnessed him whining to the ref about a missed call instead of getting back on defense, creating a 5 on 4 matchup. With a team that already isn't very good defensively, you can't do that. And then you have the 11M dollar man in DeAndre Jordan, who like Griffin is a solid rebounder but that is not to be confused with good defender. Like Billups, Butler, and Griffin, the effort just isn't there from Jordan consistently. He's a bad rotation defender because he tends to "fall asleep." There's a reason they gave up 102 points a game last year and 50% shooting. And then you have those backups, and that just goes from bad to worse.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

You know what would be nice? Just some clarification.

Where has Stern been during this whole debacle? Hiding behind his two minions.

Just having him in front of a microphone and making a statement, or even holding a little Q&A if he really wants to reach for the stars would be real refreshing. All I want to know is his intentions.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

I've got a trade I think would really help both sides.

Eric Gordon
Al-Farouq Aminu
Mo Williams
Chris Kaman
Minny's 1st

for

Chris Paul
Trevor Ariza
Quincy Pondexter

In basketball, having good defenders on the perimeter helps elevate everyones play, especially the play of your bigs inside. Chris Paul and Trevor Ariza are both very good perimeter and help defenders. Having those two guys would help Griffin and Jordan inside tremendously, and would also take some pressure off of Caron Butler.

Then on the offensive end, you wouldn't have to rely on Ariza as much as the Hornets did because you would have Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Caron Butler, etc. You could have him focus on his defensive responsibilities and he would excel even more on that end of the court.

Paul
Butler
Ariza
Griffin
Jordan

That is alot better than what they would put on the court right now, alot more balanced on each end of the court.

 

[Yankees2772]

You're asking for way too much. They're keeping Gordon, you're getting Bledsoe... Deal with it.

 

[bosoxlover12]

Except for the fact that Caron isnt quick enough to guard the 2 (EVEN ASK CC LOL)


I see no reason for LAC to trade Gordon. they have the leverage, not you guys. You should be happy enough to be getting a potential Top 5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003 for CP3 in return

 

[jonathanlambert33]

You're asking for way too much. They're keeping Gordon, you're getting Bledsoe... Deal with it.

If we're getting Bledsoe:

1) Why were they so hesitant to have him in the first deal?
2) Why are they talking about including Mo Williams?

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Except for the fact that Caron isnt quick enough to guard the 2 (EVEN ASK CC LOL)


I see no reason for LAC to trade Gordon. they have the leverage, not you guys. You should be happy enough to be getting a potential Top 5 pick in the deepest draft since 2003 for CP3 in return

Lol at the Hornets not having any leverage.

If the Hornets didn't have any leverage, the two teams wouldn't be talking right now.

The Hornets have leverage because the Clippers know CP3 will pick the Lakers above them in FA next offseason. The Hornets aren't the ones to contact the Clippers, the Clippers contacted the Hornets. The Hornets are the one with the top 10 player here, not the Clippers.

I think we've already seen the Hornets (the league) form their own leverage by turning down every offer for Chris Paul so far. You aren't going to lowball the team to get Chris Paul. The league (to my disagreement) has proven they are more than willing to make an example out of Chris Paul.

Now I don't think the Hornets have all the leverage, or even most of it, but to say the Hornets have no leverage is a complete joke.

 

[Elite]

Trade him for whatever you can get for him or he walks

You guys have no leverage

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Trade him for whatever you can get for him or he walks

You guys have no leverage

Right lol

 

[bosoxlover12]

Lol at the Hornets not having any leverage.

If the Hornets didn't have any leverage, the two teams wouldn't be talking right now.

The Hornets have leverage because the Clippers know CP3 will pick the Lakers above them in FA next offseason. The Hornets aren't the ones to contact the Clippers, the Clippers contacted the Hornets. The Hornets are the one with the top 10 player here, not the Clippers.

I think we've already seen the Hornets (the league) form their own leverage by turning down every offer for Chris Paul so far. You aren't going to lowball the team to get Chris Paul. The league (to my disagreement) has proven they are more than willing to make an example out of Chris Paul.

Now I don't think the Hornets have all the leverage, or even most of it, but to say the Hornets have no leverage is a complete joke.

So this is what Im getting from you.


The Clippers should trade with the Hornets so the Lakers cant


So if the Clippers dont want to include Gordon, you Hornet fans are like "haha Clippers, its okay, were getting nothing in return for him either!"


seems like bad logic to me.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Bad logic is thinking the league has no leverage when the Clippers and Lakers are back for a third try at getting Chris Paul.

 

[bosoxlover12]

They really dont.


Do you think the Hornets would pull away from a deal with the Clippers, and not get any compensation for CP3, if they dont want to move Gordon? I dont think so.

 

[elcheato]

Having leverage on the Lakers at this point, means nothing. They're basically offering Pau Gasol and hoping a 3rd team bails them out.

It's the Clippers or bust at this point for the Hornets.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

They really dont.


Do you think the Hornets would pull away from a deal with the Clippers, and not get any compensation for CP3, if they dont want to move Gordon? I dont think so.

Answer this, if the league and Hornets have no leverage why are the Clippers and Lakers going into round three of negotiations with Chris Paul? Answer is, if the Hornets didn't have leverage, those two teams would both just say fuck it and wait for the Hornets to come crawling back around the trade deadline. They wouldn't come back a second time, much less a third time if the Hornets and the league did not have leverage.