Chris Paul Thread!

[bosoxlover12]

The Lakers are bidding against the media, pretty much. (basically their bids are meaningless). They wont give up Bynum, and nobody else has value now that Lamar is gone.


The Clippers have said they are fine doing Aminu, the pick, Kaman, and Bledsoe. Thats as good of a package they'll get. Boston is in far second, offering Rondo and picks (Jeff Green cant be traded for 4 months cuz he signed a new contract) for Paul.


Its basically only the Clippers offering anything substantial. The Wolves suck, an between the Wolves and your pick, your almost bound to get Anthony Davis, and maybe Jeremy Lamb too (both fit Monty Williams well).


Call me crazy, but a Okafor-Davis-Ariza-Lamb-Bledsoe lineup, with Kaman and Aminu on the bench looks a lot better than a Okafor-Davis-Pondexter-Ariza-Jack lineup, with hardly a bench

 

[Mexi]

we overrated odom's value
lakers gave him to the mavs because it was the best offer. although, they wanted a draft pick so maybe he could have gone elsewhere. lakers just wanted to save money

but SMH. i already moved on from CP. I'm happy about McRoberts and now here we go again

but this time I agree with you guys. it's BS. clips or bust at this point

 

[DJT]

A good team? That's overstating it, but CP isn't their best chance at winning? LOL

That team with CP3 on it is ALOT better than that team as it currently stands without CP3.

Playoff team with him, lottery team without him.

A bit late, but soooooo wrong.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

A bit late, but soooooo wrong.

Read what I previously posted:

I'd agree they are on the right track, but just because they are on the right track doesn't mean they are a) a good team or b) a playoff team

That is still a team that doesn't play very much defense. Billups age has caught up with him and he's to slow footed to compete on the defensive end with younger NBA PG's. Eric Gordon puts out good effort on the defensive end, but his short stature and lack of length really limits his effectiveness on that end. Caron Butler is your classic good passing lane defender, but he isn't interested in playing team D and has a poor rep around the league as a defender, it's just not what he does or wants to do. Not to mention he had a significant injury and hasn't played NBA basketball in nearly a year. Blake Griffin has all the tools to be a elite defender but he just kind of drags, don't mistake someone being a excellent rebounder for being a excellent defender. I've also witnessed him whining to the ref about a missed call instead of getting back on defense, creating a 5 on 4 matchup. With a team that already isn't very good defensively, you can't do that. And then you have the 11M dollar man in DeAndre Jordan, who like Griffin is a solid rebounder but that is not to be confused with good defender. Like Billups, Butler, and Griffin, the effort just isn't there from Jordan consistently. He's a bad rotation defender because he tends to "fall asleep." There's a reason they gave up 102 points a game last year and 50% shooting. And then you have those backups, and that just goes from bad to worse.

I've got a trade I think would really help both sides.

Eric Gordon
Al-Farouq Aminu
Mo Williams
Chris Kaman
Minny's 1st

for

Chris Paul
Trevor Ariza
Quincy Pondexter

In basketball, having good defenders on the perimeter helps elevate everyones play, especially the play of your bigs inside. Chris Paul and Trevor Ariza are both very good perimeter and help defenders. Having those two guys would help Griffin and Jordan inside tremendously, and would also take some pressure off of Caron Butler.

Then on the offensive end, you wouldn't have to rely on Ariza as much as the Hornets did because you would have Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Caron Butler, etc. You could have him focus on his defensive responsibilities and he would excel even more on that end of the court.

Paul
Butler
Ariza
Griffin
Jordan

That is alot better than what they would put on the court right now, alot more balanced on each end of the court.

If you don't believe that to be the case DJT, you know nothing about basketball. And quite frankly that idea of you not knowing much has been tossed around a few times.

 

[DJT]

I'll gauransheed they won't be a lottery team without Paul...lol your crazy, they have a real good team right now.

 

[Pugz]

that deal you posted nola does help the clippers a bit more and i do like it but this isnt a sim league. that deal would never happen. its the deal they already offered with a few tweeks or nothing. i just find it funny how the lakers are still trying. makes me think the nba is just waiting for the lakers to get a deal up and accept.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

that deal you posted nola does help the clippers a bit more and i do like it but this isnt a sim league. that deal would never happen. its the deal they already offered with a few tweeks or nothing. i just find it funny how the lakers are still trying. makes me think the nba is just waiting for the lakers to get a deal up and accept.

There are "rumurs" here in NOLA that the Lakers deal is just the Hornets putting pressure on the Clippers and the Lakers putting pressure on the Magic. Don't know if I buy that though.

Also heard that Boston is out of the running because they think a deal will happen today or tomorrow.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

I'll gauransheed they won't be a lottery team without Paul...lol your crazy, they have a real good team right now.

So you think without Chris Paul and without ANY defense they are in the top 8 of the WC? :headsmack:

Aren't you a Clippers fan? Yeah...don't buy the hype. Actually look at the whole picture and not just how flashy and fun to watch they are.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Chris Paul isn't even on the Hornets roster for media day today.

Could be he just isn't showing up, but you would think he would be on there anyway.

 

[Pugz]

hes gone. they probably told him to stay away. im hoping he is. about damn time.

 

[DJT]

So you think without Chris Paul and without ANY defense they are in the top 8 of the WC? :headsmack:

Aren't you a Clippers fan? Yeah...don't buy the hype. Actually look at the whole picture and not just how flashy and fun to watch they are.

No i'm saying WITHOUT Paul they won't be a lottery team, which you said they would be. And Butler is a very good defender, and Jordan is a good defender, and Gordon and Griffin are getting better. No way thats a lottery team.

I honestly think Paul would be a bad deal if they are giving up that pick and Gordon.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

No i'm saying WITHOUT Paul they won't be a lottery team, which you said they would be. And Butler is a very good defender, and Jordan is a good defender, and Gordon and Griffin are getting better. No way thats a lottery team.

I honestly think Paul would be a bad deal if they are giving up that pick and Gordon.

DJT, just stop. They aren't a playoff team.

And Butler sure as hell isn't a very good defender. If you were to say he's a pretty good defender your probably still exaggerating.

Spurs
Mavs
Grizz
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Rockets
Warriors

All those teams you could put forth an argument are better than the Clippers. Heck with Chris Paul you could argue the Hornets are since aside from DWest we're bringing everyone of significance back.

 

[DJT]

LOL Butler is a good defender...you must be blind...

Spurs
Mavs
Grizz
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Rockets
Warriors

Warriors are in the same boat as the Clippers young not much defense and improving. Suns suck...Rockets suck. Nuggets won't be too good without Smith and Chandler.

LOL @ saying those teams have a better shot...

 

[Pugz]

butler looks like a good defender like AI did but they gamble on passes and play the lanes while being lazy and not giving much on team defense.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

LOL Butler is a good defender...you must be blind...

Spurs
Mavs
Grizz
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Rockets
Warriors

Warriors are in the same boat as the Clippers young not much defense and improving. Suns suck...Rockets suck. Nuggets won't be too good without Smith and Chandler.

LOL @ saying those teams have a better shot...

DJT you just sound like a Clippers homer. Butler isn't a good defender.

It's worth noting that this talk is nothing new, not for Butler and not for the team. Save for a brief stretch in 2007/08 under Randy Ayers, the defense hasn't even been mediocre, and Butler has been one of the guys who hasn't performed as well as he could defensively. But Butler is adamant that this year is different for him

He can play defense, the Lakers asked him to play defense, but he didn't play defense, and he still doesn't play defense. He's a gambler on defense who is not content with keeping his man in front of him. His man up defense is as bad as anybody's in the league.

Saunders wouldn't go into details about his issues with Butler, but on the court, Caron has often looked for his own opportunities instead of trusting the offense and has lacked a full commitment to defense.

Saunders needs Butler to keep his end of the deal on defense and set an example for his teammates.

Good hands on defense but middling effort. Uninspired team defender. Butler's defensive reputation is poor, but it appeared he tried harder in Dallas than he did in Washington.

In Dallas, the last two seasons, I've witnessed a player who won't take the ball to the basket, and doesn't really care to play any defense at all. The last two seasons in Dallas, Caron has settled for nothing but mid-range jumpshots and three-pointers, and won't EVER play any help defense at all. This also led to Caron NEVER playing in the 4th quarter during the 10/11 season because Carlisle couldn't risk his bad defense out there with players like Marion who do everything he does and MORE.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

butler looks like a good defender like AI did but they gamble on passes and play the lanes while being lazy and not giving much on team defense.

Thank you. DJT is just like one of those NFL fans who think a NFL TE or DE is elite because they have a lot of yards or sacks. Or that a CB is elite because he has a lot of interceptions.

I've said it a million times in regards to rebounding. Just because you rebound doesn't mean you are a good defender. It goes the same way with steals, just because you can play the passing lanes doesn't mean you are a good defender.

 

[Pugz]

caron is an above average defender though. thats just cause many players dont know what defense means lol

 

[jonathanlambert33]

caron is an above average defender though. thats just cause many players dont know what defense means lol

Yeah lol, the NBA has really lost alot of it's defense.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Dell Demps just said they haven't made a decision on if Chris Paul will play games for the Hornets this year if he isn't traded yet and that teams use leaks to the media to try and get a leg up in the trade process.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Sources: Hornets agree to deal Chris Paul
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By Marc Stein
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The Los Angeles Clippers have agreed to a deal in principle with the league-owned New Orleans Hornets to acquire guard Chris Paul, according to sources close to the process.

The Clippers, sources said, will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul.

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