Cris Carter: "Calvin Johnson Not Great"

[Lake Louise]

Oh that Cris Carter.

Andre, Fitz, Calvin, Roddy, Jennings is how I have it.

 

[RipCity32]

TBH, it's Andre/Calvin, Fitz, Roddy, IDGAF for me.
I still haven't heard a reason that makes Calvin any worse than Andre or Fitz lol.

 

[elcheato]

You haven't given a reason why Calvin is on Andre's level either.. You mentioned last years stats, and forgot to mention how Andre had at least 1.5k yards in the two previous seasons. He missed 3 games last season too and still had 1.2K

 

[RipCity32]

Is there anything that I need to say aside from stats...? How else do you determine who's a good player?

 

[RipCity32]

Not to mention Calvin added a bit more of muscle, and still maintained his speed. Which will make him only that much more explosive.

 

[AK72Det]

Andre has had Scaub all along, but there's no denying how beastly Andre Johnson is.

And Calvin had Shaun Hill most of last year and Kitna the years before that.... c'mon now

 

[RipCity32]

Exactly, put Calvin with Schaub and he doesn't get any better? Come on now.

Not to mention until recently we had like no weapons around Calvin, and he drew constant double teams.

 

[elcheato]

Is there anything that I need to say aside from stats...? How else do you determine who's a good player?

One year of similar stats puts him on the same level? All I said was you didn't mention the two previous seasons, which Andre was on pace to get to again if not for missing 3 games.

 

[RipCity32]

One year of similar stats puts him on the same level? All I said was you didn't mention the two previous seasons, which Andre was on pace to get to again if not for missing 3 games.

What does the previous 2 seasons have to do with who's the best WR right now?
But like I just said, CJ was playing with rookie Stafford, Hill, Culpepper, Orvlosky, and Kitna the last few seasons lol.

 

[elcheato]

Exactly, put Calvin with Schaub and he doesn't get any better? Come on now.

Not to mention until recently we had like no weapons around Calvin, and he drew constant double teams.

Texans don't really have another threat in the passing game aside from Andre Johnson..

 

[RipCity32]

Texans don't really have another threat in the passing game aside from Andre Johnson..

They had a much better running game and better targets around Johnson than the Lions did. Can't really deny that. Also better passer.

All I'm saying, is with a hopefully healthy Stafford, Cris Carter is going to absolutely eat the fuck out of his words.

 

[elcheato]

What does the previous 2 seasons have to do with who's the best WR right now?
But like I just said, CJ was playing with rookie Stafford, Hill, Culpepper, Orvlosky, and Kitna the last few seasons lol.

Because they aren't 5 years ago and are pretty recent seasons?

And if you want to go strictly on last season, Andre had more yards and catches in 2 less games, so how exactly does that put Calvin on the same level? Calvin had more touchdowns but that has a lot to do with red zone targets.

 

[RipCity32]

Because they aren't 5 years ago and are pretty recent seasons?

And if you want to go strictly on last season, Andre had more yards and catches in 2 less games, so how exactly does that put Calvin on the same level? Calvin had more touchdowns but that has a lot to do with red zone targets.

Once again, Matt Schaub > Shaun Hill. Would you like me to say that another 47 times? He is obviously going to get the ball more if the QB can get it there better and more efficiently.
So penalize him for getting TDs cause Calvin is a better red zone target? lol.

 

[elcheato]

Once again, Matt Schaub > Shaun Hill. Would you like me to say that another 47 times?
So penalize him for getting TDs cause Calvin is a better red zone target? lol.

In the games Matt Stafford started, Calvin Johnson put up these performances:

4 catches, 45 yards, 0 TDs

1 catch, 13 yards, 0 TDs

9 catches, 101 yards, 3 TDs

Total of 15 catches, 159 yards and 3 TDs in 3 games

Apparently he's better with bad QBs like Shaun Hill.

And no, it's not a penalty, the Texans just happen to score more on the ground, limiting some of Andre's opportunities.

 

[RipCity32]

This is why I didn't even mention Stafford at all in regards to last season. For whatever reason we didn't target Calvin early in the season.

Let me ask this yet again, if Calvin Johnson was traded for Andre, you don't think Calvin's numbers would be any better, and Andre's wouldn't get any worse? What aspect of Calvin's game makes him any worse than Andre Johnson?

 

[kam.]

Are we really saying it matters what QB you play with? LOL.

If you're a good receiver, you make it work.. no excuses. Don't knock Andre because he has Schaub.

 

[RipCity32]

Are we really saying it matters what QB you play with? LOL.

If you're a good receiver, you make it work.. no excuses. Don't knock Andre because he has Schaub.

I ain't knocking Andre. I'm just saying, he plays with a better QB. And to me, that's a factor.

 

[WHO-DEY-BENGALS_18]

And Calvin had Shaun Hill most of last year and Kitna the years before that.... c'mon now

If you read my previous posts, I think I stated that. C'mon Man!

 

[elcheato]

This is why I didn't even mention Stafford at all in regards to last season. For whatever reason we didn't target Calvin early in the season.

Let me ask this yet again, if Calvin Johnson was traded for Andre, you don't think Calvin's numbers would be any better, and Andre's wouldn't get any worse? What aspect of Calvin's game makes him any worse than Andre Johnson?

Because a better and smarter QB doesn't have to force the issue to his #1 guy if he isn't open.

Steve Johnson put up a similar season to Calvin down in Buffalo, am I suppose to believe he'd put up Andre Johnson numbers if he was traded to Houston and had Schaub?

 

[RipCity32]

Because a better and smarter QB doesn't have to force the issue to his #1 guy if he isn't open.

Steve Johnson put up a similar season to Calvin down in Buffalo, am I suppose to believe he'd put up Andre Johnson numbers if he was traded to Houston?

You failed to answer my question.