2011 NBA Offseason Discussion Thread

[CameronCrazy06]

Lol neither of you hear me saying I would take Bosh over West. But you guys act like it's no competition. They're pretty much the same player.

 

[bestkeptsecret13]

bosh isnt the "star" player everyone wants him to sound like. yes, hes good. yes, hes an allstar. no, hes not great..

Of course.

Top PF's in the League -

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Pau Gasol
4. Zach Randolph
5. LaMarcus Aldridge
6. Kevin Garnett (drops further next season)
7A. Blake Griffin
7B. Kevin Love
9. Chris Bosh
10. Carlos Boozer

Next 10: Elton Brand, J.J. Hickson, Serge Ibaka, Antawn Jamison, Carl Landry, David Lee, Paul Millsap, Luis Scola, Josh Smith, David West (ABC order, West is not 10th best)

 

[DJT]

Man NBA teams are horrible at getting videos and stuff uploaded on their sites from draft workouts.

I'd rather have LA than Pau I think.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

^ There's no way.

 

[bestkeptsecret13]

^ There's no way.

My list or Aldridge over Gasol?

 

[cruzg24]

Bosh would look even nicer if he played with Chris Paul lol.

Theres the difference right there. West plays with Paul who is the best PG in the league. Bosh didnt play with a great playmaking PG to make things easy for him. Stats are somewhat comparable, but considering West has Paul. West had more help than Bosh.

 

[buzzy]

Theres the difference right there. West plays with Paul who is the best PG in the league. Bosh didnt play with a great playmaking PG to make things easy for him. Stats are somewhat comparable, but considering West has Paul. West had more help than Bosh.

You don't think Wade and James created some open looks for him?

 

[.infamous]

You don't think Wade and James created some open looks for him?

They're talking about when he was on the Raptors

 

[cruzg24]

They're talking about when he was on the Raptors

Exactly, the Lebron and Wade effect is too great to determine statistically what kind of player he is.

 

[buzzy]

Whoops. I'm sorry.

 

[Brutalis]

"A kid walks up to Lebron, gives him a dollar and asks for change. Lebron gives him 3 quarters back and says sorry, I couldnt come up with a fourth quarter."

"Why didn't LeBron James go to college? Because he can't pass the finals."

"Apple is coming out with a LeBron James iPhone. But it only vibrates because it has no rings."

"Why does LeBron only get served boneless buffalo wings? Because he has a tendency to choke."

"Tomorrow is Lebron James day, everyone gets to leave work 12 minutes early."

 

[Pugz]

haha. those are pretty funny.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Let's not act like Bosh didn't play with any offensive threats...

Andrea Bargnani
Hedo Turkoglu
Shawn Marion
Jermaine O'Neal
Mike James
Morris Peterson
Charlie Villanueva
Jalen Rose
Vince Carter
Donyell Marshall

Also, when I said West wishes he could put up seasons as good as Bosh, what I meant was West has two career years of 21 & 9. Bosh had a five year run where he put up numbers better than West's career bests.

With all due respect, I think that's a pretty bad list. Here's why:

Bosh's 22 and 9 years came in the 05-06 season, the 06-07, 07-08, 08-09, and 09-10. Of the guys on that list, Bosh did not play any of those years with Rose, Carter, or Marshall.

You named Shawn Marion and Jermaine O'Neal, those two guys only played in 68 games as members of Toronto (less than a full season between both of them), Marion only played in 27 games, O'Neal in 41 games. Each played less than half a season in Toronto.

Bosh played one season with Mike James, which James put up good numbers. Then you have Morris Peterson, who had one good year when Bosh had 22 & 9, then his production dropped significantly until he left Toronto.

Bosh only played one season with Charlie Villanueva, and that's when Charlie came off the bench.

Bargnani and Turk, we all know how Turk worked out in Toronto and his production dropped, so I think he doesn't deserve the list. Bargnani, he's been a decent scorer for Toronto, but that's because they lack a go to guy. He can't reound at all either.

So no, I don't think I see the competition Bosh had in Toronto, definitely not on a consistent basis. He really had no other player around to challenge him for points and especially rebounds.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

I'm arguing that play making ability is irrelevant as a PG on the Miami Heat.. because it is.

No...Chalmers doesn't have play making ability, that would be the reason why.

Do you not think a player that can get Lebron, Wade, and Bosh the ball and let them not have it in their hands at ALL times would not help them?

Do you not think if Steve Nash joined Miami that not only would that team be loads better, but he'd still be the playmaking pointguard?

Miami point guards aren't playmakers because that's not their game, not because Miami doesn't want them to be.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

West is no where near as good as creating his own shot as Bosh. He would of looked a lot worse in Toronto.

You haven't seen DWest play enough if you really believe that, DWest has handles like a SF, one of his most underrated attributes..

He can put it on the ground and drive around you just as easily as he can hit the mid range shot over you.

Talent DOES NOT equal production.

BTW, DWest shot 47% from mid range this season compared to Bosh's 43%.

 

[Mexi]

Of course.

Top PF's in the League -

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Pau Gasol
4. Zach Randolph
5. LaMarcus Aldridge
6. Kevin Garnett (drops further next season)
7A. Blake Griffin
7B. Kevin Love
9. Chris Bosh
10. Carlos Boozer

Next 10: Elton Brand, J.J. Hickson, Serge Ibaka, Antawn Jamison, Carl Landry, David Lee, Paul Millsap, Luis Scola, Josh Smith, David West (ABC order, West is not 10th best)

bump everyone up in the absence of KG
and put Josh Smith 10th

KG isnt top 10. let alone top 6

but this has nothing to do with your argument. i just love looking at lists

 

[jonathanlambert33]

bumb everyone up in the absence of KG
and put Josh Smith 10th

KG isnt top 10. let alone top 6

but this has nothing to do with your argument. i just love looking at lists

It's frustrating that everyone wants to group Griffin and Love together.

 

[Mexi]

Blake is better than Love
i dont think they're equal at all

 

[Pugz]

they are pretty close. i wouldnt wanna rank one over the other. and i love blake.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Theres the difference right there. West plays with Paul who is the best PG in the league. Bosh didnt play with a great playmaking PG to make things easy for him. Stats are somewhat comparable, but considering West has Paul. West had more help than Bosh.

Like someone above me said. All Bosh gets is open jumper after open jumper in Miami.