The Real 2014-15 NBA Regular Season Thread

[elcheato]

I was speaking over the course of the whole season. I agree with you about them lately granted its in the East

They've dominated the West during that stretch

 

[jonathanlambert33]

15 or 16 and 1

 

[CameronCrazy06]

They've dominated the West during that stretch

Still not dominant because.... fuck you. That's why.

But yeah I was talking about the whole season. 30-7 still doesn't match the warriors win%

 

[elcheato]

15 or 16 and 1

15-1
 
Lone loss to Houston in OT with Kyrie out.
 
Includes wins over Clippers x2, OKC at full strength, Portland, Warriors, Suns, Mavs, Spurs, Memphis (That's everyone currently in the West playoffs, aside from Houston. Suns aren't in the playoffs but they're still at .500, which is why I included them) 

 

[BwareDWare94]

Houston has been dominant considering they've played most of the season without their starting front court. 
 
Look, I don't think they're contenders, either, but playing most of the season with Joey Dorsey and DMo at the 4 and 5 and still likely to win 55 games is dominant. Especially when you consider that Beverly has missed a ton of games, too. We're talking about Jason Terry starting at his age in this league for a lot of games. 

 

[BwareDWare94]

15-1
 
Lone loss to Houston in OT with Kyrie out.
 
Includes wins over Clippers x2, OKC at full strength, Portland, Warriors, Suns, Mavs, Spurs, Memphis (That's everyone currently in the West playoffs, aside from Houston. Suns aren't in the playoffs but they're still at .500, which is why I included them) 

 
You're correct, sir. At this point, Cleveland is the clear favorite to win the whole thing. 

 

[bosoxlover12]

Cleveland is the clear favorite to win the whole thing. 

 
only for the fact that they are the team most likely to make it to the championships.
 
 
I'd still give the Spurs the edge over the Cavs if SanAn makes the Finals. But they'll have a much harder path to get there 

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Houston has been dominant considering they've played most of the season without their starting front court. 
 
Look, I don't think they're contenders, either, but playing most of the season with Joey Dorsey and DMo at the 4 and 5 and still likely to win 55 games is dominant. Especially when you consider that Beverly has missed a ton of games, too. We're talking about Jason Terry starting at his age in this league for a lot of games. 

Do you know what dominant means? Have they been impressive? Sure. Have they won a bunch of games? Sure. Have they been dominant? Fuck no.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

They have a differential of like +3.3, which is 5th in the West. That's far from dominate.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

They have a differential of like +3.3, which is 5th in the West. That's far from dominate.

WE AGREE AGAIN DAN!!!

 

[BwareDWare94]

They have a differential of like +3.3, which is 5th in the West. That's far from dominate.

 
Regardless, I said dominant when their circumstances are considered. The Rockets realistically should have been a 5th or 6th seed, at best. They're 2, and might even finish at 2, thanks to James Harden. He's done more than Curry has to put his team in the place that it's in. Curry only had to keep the car on the road, in comparison. Did he do more than that? Yes, but it's not like he had constant pressure on him.
 
Is it amazing that Golden State has had so many blowouts? Yes, but to say that it's all traced back to one guy is hilarious. This Golden State team is healthy and loaded. They aren't Steph and then everybody else. Harden didn't have an emerging all around star in Draymond. He didn't have a Klay. For most of the season, James Harden had a D-Leaguer at Center, and some would argue at PG, too, as the PG spot was a revolving door or Beverly/Canaan/Jet/Nick Johnson/Prigioni. 
 
There is just as much of an argument for Harden as there is Curry. To say that one player definitively deserves MVP when you look at both players' circumstances is absurd. This vote should be very very close, and if it isn't, that's a fucking travesty.

FTR, I'd give it to Curry. I'm just saying that Harden has a case and if he wins it, it's not any kind of injustice. 

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Still, you clearly don't know the meaning of the word "dominant".

 

[BwareDWare94]

Still, you clearly don't know the meaning of the word "dominant".

 
Continue to ignore my wording, if you must. I said "dominant considering their circumstances."

I'm sorry, but a 7th or 8th place quality team that finds ways to win night after night and hold a top 2 seed is dominant. 

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Regardless, I said dominant when their circumstances are considered. The Rockets realistically should have been a 5th or 6th seed, at best. They're 2, and might even finish at 2, thanks to James Harden. He's done more than Curry has to put his team in the place that it's in. Curry only had to keep the car on the road, in comparison. Did he do more than that? Yes, but it's not like he had constant pressure on him.
 
Is it amazing that Golden State has had so many blowouts? Yes, but to say that it's all traced back to one guy is hilarious. This Golden State team is healthy and loaded. They aren't Steph and then everybody else. Harden didn't have an emerging all around star in Draymond. He didn't have a Klay. For most of the season, James Harden had a D-Leaguer at Center, and some would argue at PG, too, as the PG spot was a revolving door or Beverly/Canaan/Jet/Nick Johnson/Prigioni. 
 
There is just as much of an argument for Harden as there is Curry. To say that one player definitively deserves MVP when you look at both players' circumstances is absurd. This vote should be very very close, and if it isn't, that's a fucking travesty.

FTR, I'd give it to Curry. I'm just saying that Harden has a case and if he wins it, it's not any kind of injustice.

This Golden State team, without Curry, otherwise fully healthy, is a net negative team. They have been all season. With him, they're the best team in the league, without him they're battling for 11th in the West. So in that way, I would say Curry is directly responsible.

I would also say, though EXTREMELY small sample size, they're 0-2 to two teams with losing records with a point differential of -8.5, so they're getting beat badly by bad teams without him.

I also don't buy the 7th or 8th seed argument, not for a second.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Continue to ignore my wording, if you must. I said "dominant considering their circumstances."

I'm sorry, but a 7th or 8th place quality team that finds ways to win night after night and hold a top 2 seed is dominant.

I'm reading your wording and you still don't know what dominant is

 

[BwareDWare94]

You don't have to win every game by 10+ to be dominant.

 

[bosoxlover12]

BWare, I don't think you get it.
 
 
Harden is great, no doubt about it. He's been carrying his team as far as he possibly can.
 
 
But even despite those efforts, the Rockets are 10.5 games behind the Warriors. And the Warriors are winning because of Steph Curry, period. Harden is not worth 11 more games than Curry, and thats why he won't be the MVP.

 

[BwareDWare94]

Yeah, let's just ignore their great starting lineup, excellent depth, and the surprisingly elite coaching of Steve Kerr.
 
You remove James Harden from Houston this past season with all the injuries and they're a lottery team.

 

[bosoxlover12]

And not to mention, lets talk about "carrying them to the 2 seed". If you take the Warriors record, and subtract 7 wins from them, they are still easily the 1 seed in the West. You take 7 wins from the Rockets and they go from a 2 seed to the 7 seed.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

You don't have to win every game by 10+ to be dominant.

But you have to win by more than an average of 3 ppg...