SI #6 QB

[Falcons11497]

Matt Ryan is the very definition of overrated. There are at least 8 QBs I'd take ahead of him. I'd put Flacco at 7 and Romo at 8 if people wouldn't call Romo ahead of Ryan pure homerism, just because they hate Romo.

lmao, this alone just made my day

 

[Falcons11497]

 
Been consistently solid since his second year and for the last two or three playoff runs he's been a damn fire-breathing dragon against opposing defenses. It's not just one run.
 
He'll be better without Cam Cameron's shackles on him, too. Just wait.

and what has Ryan been? mediocre?
Give me a break, most 4th quarter comebacks since his rookie year, tied for most wins with the Patriots since that span. If you say Ryan is only good because of his weapons, if Ryan had the Ravens Defense, he'd have himself a ring by now.
And Romo? Really, are we going to start this again? 

 

[BwareDWare94]

and what has Ryan been? mediocre?
Give me a break, most 4th quarter comebacks since his rookie year, tied for most wins with the Patriots since that span. If you say Ryan is only good because of his weapons, if Ryan had the Ravens Defense, he'd have himself a ring by now.
And Romo? Really, are we going to start this again? 

 
Matt Ryan has not separated himself from either Flacco or Romo. 
 
You can have as many regular season wins as you want, but when your team has been paper tigers when it comes to playoff football, that says an awful lot about your quarterback.
 
In his second playoff game, he threw the worst pick 6 in recent playoff history.
 
In his third playoff game, he shit the bed so hard his offense didn't even score any points.
 
Then the Falcons almost gave the Seahawks the divisional round game (the Seahawks were a better team, too, by the way). A hot start bailed out Atlanta in that game.

 

[BwareDWare94]

Matt Ryan is somewhat prolific with ELITE weapons. Without them, he'd be mediocre as hell.
 
And let's not act like having a great kicker hasn't added to that comeback total. That's one thing Romo has never had--a reliable kicker. One thing Flacco's never had is receivers as good as either White or Jones and his tight ends' names bring laughter when compared to Tony Gonzales.

 

[Hurricane Season]

 
Matt Ryan has not separated himself from either Flacco or Romo. 
 
You can have as many regular season wins as you want, but when your team has been paper tigers when it comes to playoff football, that says an awful lot about your quarterback.
 
In his second playoff game, he threw the worst pick 6 in recent playoff history.
 
In his third playoff game, he shit the bed so hard his offense didn't even score any points.
 
Then the Falcons almost gave the Seahawks the divisional round game (the Seahawks were a better team, too, by the way). A hot start bailed out Atlanta in that game.

I get this argument.  I do.  I don't entirely agree with it, but I get it.  
 
I just don't understand how you can make the argument for playoff futility while arguing in favor of Romo just one sentence prior.

 

[bosoxlover12]

Oh shut the fuck up bware



Baltimore had the better run game, better offensive line, better front 7, and just as good if not better of a secondary, not to mention a better special teams unit.

The only spots the Falcons were better were at WR and TE. But Baltimore had really good WRs and TEs too. Boldin and Torrey Smith are one notch below White & Julio, and the combo of Pitta & Dickson is a TE group that I love really. Both very underrated



Baltimore had the far better team, and still had a really dominant offense too. Just wait for Flacco to be a lot worse without Boldin this next year

 

[Falcons11497]

I get this argument.  I do.  I don't entirely agree with it, but I get it.  
 
I just don't understand how you can make the argument for playoff futility while arguing in favor of Romo just one sentence prior.

Thank you
How in the world do you put Romo over Ryan using that logic?

 

[Boda]

 
Matt Ryan has not separated himself from either Flacco or Romo. 
 
You can have as many regular season wins as you want, but when your team has been paper tigers when it comes to playoff football, that says an awful lot about your quarterback.
 
In his second playoff game, he threw the worst pick 6 in recent playoff history.
 
In his third playoff game, he shit the bed so hard his offense didn't even score any points.
 
Then the Falcons almost gave the Seahawks the divisional round game (the Seahawks were a better team, too, by the way). A hot start bailed out Atlanta in that game.

Lets be honest though Flacco is lucky not good.  If it wasn't for a miraculous 4th & 27 (if memory serves me correctly) conversion by Ray Rice we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
 
Flacco just isn't a good QB and I just don't understand how anyone can argue against that at all.  People can talk about Flacco's weapons all they want but he has the prototypical WR's a QB needs to succeed. He has a deep threat in Smith, he has a possession receiver in Boldin.  I guess you could argue that he doesn't have a slot receiver but Ray Rice does play a descent amount in the slot and he's a great receiving option as well, proving that on the 4th & 27 conversion amongst many other plays as well.  So now overall Ryan's receivers are better but Flacco has everything a good QB needs to succeed.

 

[bosoxlover12]

 
Stats include playoff numbers, but adjusted to a 16 game based scale for both QBs

 

[Boda]

Baltimore had the far better team, and still had a really dominant offense too. Just wait for Flacco to be a lot worse without Boldin this next year

I strongly agree with this.  I remember a lot of times Flacco would just throw the ball into double coverage or just make horrible decisions and passes that both Smith & especially Boldin made up for.  Very curious to see how good Flacco can be without Boldin,  My guess is that Boldin tremendously helps out Kap in San Fran.

 

[bosoxlover12]

Also just realized that both Flacco and Eli in his first Super Bowl run had one lucky play that, if stopped, probably and most likely would have resulted in a different winner
 
 
Which one was luckier for the winner?
 
 
S Rahim Moore allowing WR Jacoby Jones by him as Ravens tie game, beat Broncos in OT
or
WR David Tyree and the helmet catch

 

[Falcons11497]

I'd have to go with Tyree
that was an amazing catch

 

[BwareDWare94]

I get this argument.  I do.  I don't entirely agree with it, but I get it.  
 
I just don't understand how you can make the argument for playoff futility while arguing in favor of Romo just one sentence prior.

 
It's not that I think Romo is necessarily better. After 2011-12, he was, but after this past season, even with his amazing run up until week 17, he is now no longer definitively better than Ryan or Flacco.

My argument is that Ryan hasn't separated himself from the other two. Only Flacco has done anything that gives an argument for him being better than the other two.
 
People need to stop getting on their knees for Matt Ryan. He is not the second coming. Atlanta will be lucky to win a Super Bowl with him.

 

[Boda]

 
It's not that I think Romo is necessarily better. After 2011-12, he was, but after this past season, even with his amazing run up until week 17, he is now no longer definitively better than Ryan or Flacco.

My argument is that Ryan hasn't separated himself from the other two. Only Flacco has done anything that gives an argument for him being better than the other two.
 
People need to stop getting on their knees for Matt Ryan. He is not the second coming. Atlanta will be lucky to win a Super Bowl with him.

2013 - Matt Ryan
422-615, 68.6 Comp %, 4719 yds, 32/14 TD/INT, 74.5 QBR, 90.9 Rating
Career - Matt Ryan
1654-2637, 62.7 Comp %, 18,957 yds, 127/60 TD/INT, 69.6 QBR, 90.9 Rating
2013 - Joe Flacco
317-531, 59.7 Comp %, 3817 yds, 22/10 TD/INT, 46.8 QBR, 87.7 Rating
Career Joe Flacco
1507-2489, 60.5 Comp %, 17,633 yds, 102/56 TD/INT, 53.3 QBR, 86.3 Rating

Now looking at the stats I just don't see how anyone can make a case for how Flacco was better than Ryan in 2013 or for their career as Ryan's numbers surpass Flacco in every stat. The most telling of which is the QBR which takes into account the difficulty of EVERY pass and Ryan had almost a 30pt difference in 2013, there is not one single thing that can make up that difference. For a career Ryan has over a 16pt lead in QBR. To top that off Ryan has over a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and is a lot more accurate and makes less mistakes as evidenced by only having 4 more career INT's thrown while attempting almost 150 more passes.

Joe has never had more than 25 TD's in one season and the one year he reached 25 TD's it took him 489 throws so hopefully no one will say that the reason Ryan's numbers are better is because he has more attempts because if you even it out for Flacco to get to Ryan's numbers he would end up with like 300 more passes.

Also for what it's worth Flacco has played 2 more regular season games than Ryan.

Bottom line is the only reason people are even attempting to pump Flacco up is because of his playoff run this past season, if Ray Rice doesn't convert that 4th & 27 no one even talks about Flacco as being anything more than a mediocre QB at best. Remember last offseason when the Ravens wanted to wait to give Flacco a contract because they weren't even sure they wanted to keep him? Flacco was playing for a pay day and still didn't have a great season, he did however shine in the playoffs which made him a LOT of money, he probably doesn't crack 7M a year if not for that playoff run, now because of it he's making over 20M per year.
 
 
Please show me where Flacco is better than Ryan

 

[Boda]

Also just realized that both Flacco and Eli in his first Super Bowl run had one lucky play that, if stopped, probably and most likely would have resulted in a different winner
 
 
Which one was luckier for the winner?
 
 
S Rahim Moore allowing WR Jacoby Jones by him as Ravens tie game, beat Broncos in OT
or
WR David Tyree and the helmet catch

That Jones TD wasn't even anywhere as bad of a play as when Ray Rice converted that 4th & 27 when the Ravens needed to convert that play in order to make the playoffs, if they don't convert and lose the game they are out of the playoffs.  Ravens had a few VERY lucky plays.

 

[Fuhgeddaboudit]

Been consistently solid since his second year and for the last two or three playoff runs he's been a damn fire-breathing dragon against opposing defenses. It's not just one run.

He'll be better without Cam Cameron's shackles on him, too. Just wait.

Flacco and consistent in the same sentence....

 

[Boda]

Been consistently solid since his second year and for the last two or three playoff runs he's been a damn fire-breathing dragon against opposing defenses. It's not just one run.

He'll be better without Cam Cameron's shackles on him, too. Just wait.

Flacco and consistent in the same sentence....

I don't see how Flacco is going to be more consistent now that he doesn't have Boldin to bail him out?  Flacco is a horribly inaccurate passer who had his WR's make big time plays when catching the ball. I remember seeing lots of passes off target from Joe.  If he can improve his accuracy fine, but he lost his best WR and I believe he's taking a step back this season.  People talk about Cameron's offense holding him back when in reality I think it actually helped save him from looking like a worse QB.

 

[BwareDWare94]

I've already showed you that he's better than Ryan in January/February, because Matt Ryan sucks even worse than Romo in the postseason.

 

[Fuhgeddaboudit]

I don't see how Flacco is going to be more consistent now that he doesn't have Boldin to bail him out?  Flacco is a horribly inaccurate passer who had his WR's make big time plays when catching the ball. I remember seeing lots of passes off target from Joe.  If he can improve his accuracy fine, but he lost his best WR and I believe he's taking a step back this season.  People talk about Cameron's offense holding him back when in reality I think it actually helped save him from looking like a worse QB.

 
I quoted Bware. For some reason, it doesn't really "quote" on Tapatalk. So the only part of that comment was...
 
"flacco and consistent in the same sentence"

 

[bosoxlover12]

I've already showed you that he's better than Ryan in January/February, because Matt Ryan sucks even worse than Romo in the postseason.

lol