Kyrie Irving traded to Boston

[bosoxlover12]

Gobert was the teams second best player

That's why I said scorer
 
But if you want to present that the 14ppg Rudy Gobert was the second most important offensive player on that team, it only strengthens my argument

 

[Paulius]

That's why I said scorer
 
But if you want to present that the 14ppg Rudy Gobert was the second most important offensive player on that team, it only strengthens my argument

Ah u did say scorer

Either way, still Gobert on offense

Since you love the advanced stats, go check em out, rethink yourself and come back so we could talk

 

[bosoxlover12]

I don't think you got my point lol
 
Hayward should look better than Kyrie based on last years stats. Doesn't mean Hayward is better than Kyrie

 

[elcheato]

I don't believe Hayward is as good as he played last year

 

[BNC]

Are we really talking about comparing a guy who the offense was built around and the team's second best scorer was George Hill, and a guy who was in an offense built in a scheme counter-intuitive to give him efficient scoring?

Counter intuitive? It was an iso heavy offense, that's basically all Kyrie does. And Kyrie led the team in usage rate

 

[BNC]

I don't think you got my point lol
 
Hayward should look better than Kyrie based on last years stats. Doesn't mean Hayward is better than Kyrie

Yea I'm pretty sure Zach Lowe and Howard Beck would understand this. And I'm relying on them because because they (or at least Zach) know more than most around the sport

 

[Paulius]

Oh i defenitely agree with that bosox, but Gobert is a dog on offense and all the advanced got him going thru the roof. Hill did put up 3 more points but its not all about ppg

And i only brought this up because you love all those numbers, dont really care either way, bnc is wrong and you are right

 

[Paulius]

Zach Lowe trying to get those podcast ratings up lol. Cute

 

[bosoxlover12]

Counter intuitive? It was an iso heavy offense, that's basically all Kyrie does. And Kyrie led the team in usage rate

That's literally my point
 
You'll never boast efficiency running isolation plays. Lebron can do it because hes always either stronger or faster than his matchup, and it forces his teammates to either run the same offense or be a catch and shoot player.
 
Kyrie's gonna be in Brad's P&P 5-Out offense, which promotes ridiculously efficient plays because there is no rim protection (or an open Horford for 3 who shot like 63% last postseason from there). He's finally in an offense that will actually suit his skills
 
Sure he can iso, but thats not what he'll be doing most in Boston

 

[Paulius]

Yea I'm pretty sure Zach Lowe and Howard Beck would understand this. And I'm relying on them because because they (or at least Zach) know more than most around the sport

Theres like a thousand of you that think that vs billions who think otherwise

 

[Paulius]

Cant wait to see BNCs quotes once King Kyrie is lighting up the league

 

[BNC]

That's literally my point
 
You'll never boast efficiency running isolation plays. Lebron can do it because hes always either stronger or faster than his matchup, and it forces his teammates to either run the same offense or be a catch and shoot player.
 
Kyrie's gonna be in Brad's P&P 5-Out offense, which promotes ridiculously efficient plays because there is no rim protection (or an open Horford for 3 who shot like 63% last postseason from there). He's finally in an offense that will actually suit his skills
 
Sure he can iso, but thats not what he'll be doing most in Boston

What do you mean in an offense that can suit his skills? His skills are iso related. And yea he'll probably look a bit better next year, but that says more about Brad than it does about Kyrie

 

[Paulius]

I totally get you for having an opinion about Kyrie possibly not being a franchise player, but to say that hes not better than Hayward is just going too far bro

 

[BNC]

Theres like a thousand of you that think that vs billions who think otherwise

Zach knows more about NBA than everyone on this board put together, he is easily one of the most respected analysts in the sport

 

[BNC]

I totally get you for having an opinion about Kyrie possibly not being a franchise player, but to say that hes not better than Hayward is just going too far bro

But it's not though, neither are franchise players. I can understand thinking Kyrie is better, but to say it's ridiculous that Hayward could be better is laughable

 

[elcheato]

When you're on LeBron's team, the offense is going to be ISO heavy, because of him, that's how he wants to play. LeBron makes role players significantly better. The only help he gives other primary ball handlers/stars is taking away attention. 

 

[Paulius]

But it's not though, neither are franchise players. I can understand thinking Kyrie is better, but to say it's ridiculous that Hayward could be better is laughable

Dont say Kyrie isnt a franchise player when we havent seen it yet. Its obvious Hayward isnt and would never be the #1 guy on a championship team, but we havent seen Kyrie yet. And please dont bring up those early years when he was 18 years old

 

[Paulius]

We can easily sit here and say that Lebron has been holding Kyrie back, regardless of the usage % or whatever you wanna throw out


Again tho, its all to be determined real soon

 

[bosoxlover12]

What do you mean in an offense that can suit his skills? His skills are iso related. 

That's such an insult to his talent. He's a fantastic finisher, top 2 in the league

 

[Paulius]

Zach knows more about NBA than everyone on this board put together, he is easily one of the most respected analysts in the sport

Well, you two better get together and pray to baby Jesus that youll be right, because no matter how u slice it, saying kyrie isnt better than Hayward is a reach and clickbait. And looks like he got you sucked in