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This is gonna be such a bad loss for the Bears
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Packers season is over
6-10 at best
6-10 at best
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Lions are lioning!
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AP is looking good so far
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CameronCrazy06 said:
Neither team really deserved to win that game. Son of a bitch, the offenses were allergic to the ball or something.Father Pugzo said:
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it was almost a low end college basketball scoreDelirium said:
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Antonio Brown omg
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Wow just saw the jets play. Definitely should've been a touchdown
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No it shouldn't. It sucks that it happened and its not a great rule, but the rule was properly executed by the booksCameronCrazy06 said:
Its similar to what happened with Calvin Johnson against Seattle a few years back ago. ASJ fumbled the ball before entering the endzone, and his first point of contact after regaining possession of the ball was out of bounds. By the book, its a clear touchback, and per Tony Corrente's own words it "was pretty obvious".
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Can you just take me through the play as you saw it?
“The final shot that we saw was from the end zone that showed the New York Jets’ runner, we’ll call him a runner at that point, with the football starting to go toward the ground. He lost the ball. It came out of his control as he was almost to the ground. Now he re-grasps the ball and by rule, now he has to complete the process of a recovery which means he has to survive the ground again. So in recovering it, he recovered, hit the knee, started to roll and the ball came out a second time. So the ball started to move in his hands this way…he’s now out of bounds in the end zone, which now created a touchback. So he didn’t survive the recovery and didn’t survive the ground during the recovery is what happened here.”
So this had nothing to do with the catch itself?
“Nothing to do with the catch. It was all dealing with goal line and going to the ground.”
The initial ruling was a touchdown. Why was that?
“Because the position of the official involved had the player’s back to him when all this action occurred, so when the player came down with the football, all he saw was the ball over the goal line and that’s why he did not know the ball came loose. Had the ball not come loose and he had crossed the goal line and he had possession and started to roll on his back, that would have been the touchdown. But because he lost the ball on his way to the ground the first time and had to re-grasp, that means now it’s a loose ball. He has to have control and survive the ground in the process of the recovery or, as we say, the process of the catch. So that’s what that was about.”
Who made the initial call?
“Our down judge.”
How long was the discussion with New York on that review?
“Well, we went through two or three primary looks and then this other shot came up. When the other shot came up, it was just ‘boom, boom, boom.’ It was a pretty quick determination. It was pretty obvious.”
As far as you know, was the end zone shot shown on TV?
“I was with you in the stadium. It had to be, because that was the only shots we get is anything that’s shown on TV. We don’t get anything secret. I mean, there’s no secret shots. It has to be shown on TV. Unless, did we go to commercial break? We went to commercial break, so I can’t tell you whether it went on TV or not because the audience was away. The replays keep showing. As they say, they will empty the can. They will show us every replay they’ve got related to the situation and that’s what happened there.”
If Seferian-Jenkins as a runner touched the pylon first, it would be a touchdown?
“No. You’ve got to keep in mind, he doesn’t have possession of the football yet. When he lost the ball short of the goal line, when he lost the ball, he re-gained control but that doesn’t mean he possesses the ball. He doesn’t possess the ball until he’s completed going to the ground now and re-controlling the ball, which he did not survive the ground, which is why it wasn’t a touchdown. Had he never lost control of the ball in the first place, you would have a touchdown. But because he lost the ball and now has to re- establish control of the ball, that was the period of time.”
He began losing the ball before he got to the goal line?
“Before he got to the goal line, yes.”
And he didn’t re-establish control until he was out of bounds?
“He was out of bounds.”
Did you think he touched the pylon?
“At what point he touched the pylon, it was during the process of trying to recover the ball. Even though he may have had the ball in his hands the second time, that control does not mean possession until he comes to the ground and shows firm control of the ball at that point.”
“The final shot that we saw was from the end zone that showed the New York Jets’ runner, we’ll call him a runner at that point, with the football starting to go toward the ground. He lost the ball. It came out of his control as he was almost to the ground. Now he re-grasps the ball and by rule, now he has to complete the process of a recovery which means he has to survive the ground again. So in recovering it, he recovered, hit the knee, started to roll and the ball came out a second time. So the ball started to move in his hands this way…he’s now out of bounds in the end zone, which now created a touchback. So he didn’t survive the recovery and didn’t survive the ground during the recovery is what happened here.”
So this had nothing to do with the catch itself?
“Nothing to do with the catch. It was all dealing with goal line and going to the ground.”
The initial ruling was a touchdown. Why was that?
“Because the position of the official involved had the player’s back to him when all this action occurred, so when the player came down with the football, all he saw was the ball over the goal line and that’s why he did not know the ball came loose. Had the ball not come loose and he had crossed the goal line and he had possession and started to roll on his back, that would have been the touchdown. But because he lost the ball on his way to the ground the first time and had to re-grasp, that means now it’s a loose ball. He has to have control and survive the ground in the process of the recovery or, as we say, the process of the catch. So that’s what that was about.”
Who made the initial call?
“Our down judge.”
How long was the discussion with New York on that review?
“Well, we went through two or three primary looks and then this other shot came up. When the other shot came up, it was just ‘boom, boom, boom.’ It was a pretty quick determination. It was pretty obvious.”
As far as you know, was the end zone shot shown on TV?
“I was with you in the stadium. It had to be, because that was the only shots we get is anything that’s shown on TV. We don’t get anything secret. I mean, there’s no secret shots. It has to be shown on TV. Unless, did we go to commercial break? We went to commercial break, so I can’t tell you whether it went on TV or not because the audience was away. The replays keep showing. As they say, they will empty the can. They will show us every replay they’ve got related to the situation and that’s what happened there.”
If Seferian-Jenkins as a runner touched the pylon first, it would be a touchdown?
“No. You’ve got to keep in mind, he doesn’t have possession of the football yet. When he lost the ball short of the goal line, when he lost the ball, he re-gained control but that doesn’t mean he possesses the ball. He doesn’t possess the ball until he’s completed going to the ground now and re-controlling the ball, which he did not survive the ground, which is why it wasn’t a touchdown. Had he never lost control of the ball in the first place, you would have a touchdown. But because he lost the ball and now has to re- establish control of the ball, that was the period of time.”
He began losing the ball before he got to the goal line?
“Before he got to the goal line, yes.”
And he didn’t re-establish control until he was out of bounds?
“He was out of bounds.”
Did you think he touched the pylon?
“At what point he touched the pylon, it was during the process of trying to recover the ball. Even though he may have had the ball in his hands the second time, that control does not mean possession until he comes to the ground and shows firm control of the ball at that point.”
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And GMF didn't believe lol
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https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/919780712340959232
As I've been saying, he's awful
As I've been saying, he's awful
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And once again, he's hurt. His supporting cast sucks too. Both interceptions today were the receiver's fault. But feel free to solely generate your opinions via hot takes on twitter.BNC said:
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Ok take away those two throws, he still had 180 yards and no TDs on 39 attempts for an offense that scored 9 points (they started at Chi 39 for 3 of those) #trash.CameronCrazy06 said:
I think you have a warped view of Flacco. 6 games is a big enough sample size to say that he sucks.
And no one tends to give Kaepernick the benefit of the doubt like you're providing Flacco here, even though he was far better last year than Joe has been this year.
And he hurt himself over 2 moths ago, time to find a new excuse
But feel free to solely generate your opinions via hot takes on twitter.
Lol as if I have to, I can just watch him play and look at the #s to come to the conclusion that he sucks
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Flaccos only halfway-decent receiver is a 36 year old TE, and the OL was built around a guy on IR, and yet youre trying to prove that he sucks? If Kaepernick was the starter in Baltimore hed lead the league in sacks taken for the inability of the receivers to create any separation and the offensive line being hot garbage in pass protection
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And this is all annoyingly moot because he filed a grievance against the NFL for collusion, which has a 0% chance of being proven and a 100% chance of pissing off every owner enough to tell his organization to not sign him. Hes done
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So a better option at QB behind a terrible line is a dude who can’t move instead of one capable of moving out of the pocket when it breaks down?bosoxlover12 said:
And who was Kaep’s beat receiving option last year when he far outperformed what Flacco is doing this year?
You’re seriously gonna tell me he doesn’t suck when the only thing you can point to is like 5 playoff games?
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bosoxlover12 said:
How would he lead the league in sacks? He is 100x faster thank flacco and can escape out of the pocket.bosoxlover12 said:
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The last time Kaepernick started 16 games, he was sacked 52 times.
Flacco has never been sacked more than 48 times in a season in his career.
I don't give a shit about the Flacco/Kaep debate, but as a once avid RG3 supporter, I know that being a mobile QB does not necessarily make you any less prone to taking sacks.
Flacco has never been sacked more than 48 times in a season in his career.
I don't give a shit about the Flacco/Kaep debate, but as a once avid RG3 supporter, I know that being a mobile QB does not necessarily make you any less prone to taking sacks.