2017 NBA Off-Season

[Pugz]

celtics will win the east.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Coming from this board's biggest Celtics fan

 

[bosoxlover12]

Just look at those names you just posted above and tell me it isnt sad

Really look

Losing bradley and the frontcourt depth hurts more than you realize i think

And hayward is nice i guess, but hes not special bro. Yall will be good for the regular season, sure get 5-6 more wins but what are you realistically expecting from this squad when it matters?

lol losing "frontcourt depth"
 
• Amir was so bad that Boston literally started Gerald Green in several playoff games
• Tyler Zeller has had about five good games in his past 125 games with the Celtics.
• Jonas Jerebko was average as a backup stretch four and thats about it
 
You're losing Kelly Olynyk, and gaining Aron Baynes and Marcus Morris. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless you're solely looking for a guy who injures members of the Cavaliers, this is an upgrade in personnel. Plus Zizic is a nice young rookie who's a 7 footer and just averaged 14/12 for David Blatt last year. The frontcourt is probably better, but at worst the same as last year. 
 
Hayward's overrated, but at the same time overratedly underrated. He's one of the most patient wings in the game, and is one of the better distributors at his position. He was statistically in the 95th Percentile in scoring efficiency coming off of screens last year, and he's an above average defender and not a liability
 
Only area Celtics downgrade is Avery Bradley's defense to guard Kyrie. But the Cavs were the only team where Bradley guards the point guard regularly -- against every other team IT still guards the point guard (Wall, Curry, etc). And if there is a situation where IT is simply way too weak to guard his matchup, we can always bring in Smart for his lockdown defense and now the offense won't fully stagnate since Hayward can actually run an offense. This is a clearly better team than last year's team, and we can now have two former #3 picks practice every day with an All Star forward as their matchup to improve their game.

 

[Paulius]

For me, hayward just doesnt move the needle, and you know how i feel about IT and Horford. Bradley was the guy i really respected on your team. Hope you guys are better tho like you're saying so Cavs wouldnt just sweep the east but again, what are you realistically expecting from this squad when it matters?


And last part about taytum i agree. For a rookie to be on a decent team is good for him no doubt. I like his game

Overall tho, im still riding with the thought that ainge will regret not drafting Fultz, and trading off IT.

 

[bosoxlover12]

nobody that we could get could "move the needle". we're losing to the cavs if both teams are healthy, and there isn't anyone available that could. Maybe next year if Boogie walks and if Boston does get two picks in the Top 5, they could package them with Brown and Tatum, and have the best young trade package the Pelicans could dream of for AD. But I doubt anything would ever succumb to that since the NOLA basketball market would literally crash
 
I'm expecting to make it to Game 6, legitimately, this coming year. Marcus Smart was a flukey 70% three point shooter and the Cavs played down and almost still won. That series was essentially a sweep. Provided he's healthy, adding IT along with Hayward improves that team where we get two legitimate wins and the series is tight, unlike this past year when we lost Game 2 by like 46 points. That's about as good as one can hope for while being realistic
 
And I've talked about why you can't trade Isaiah lol, it literally is a backwards deal. As for Fultz, one would think that if Stevens didn't have an issue with Fultz that he would have gone #1, no? It's not like Ainge was the only one that didn't like Fultz -- clearly the coach didn't want to work with Fultz either 

 

[elcheato]

The #1 seed added a top free agent. Brad Stevens could be on the hot seat if he doesn't make it through the East this year

 

[BNC]

lol losing "frontcourt depth"
 
• Amir was so bad that Boston literally started Gerald Green in several playoff games
• Tyler Zeller has had about five good games in his past 125 games with the Celtics.
• Jonas Jerebko was average as a backup stretch four and thats about it
 
You're losing Kelly Olynyk, and gaining Aron Baynes and Marcus Morris. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless you're solely looking for a guy who injures members of the Cavaliers, this is an upgrade in personnel. Plus Zizic is a nice young rookie who's a 7 footer and just averaged 14/12 for David Blatt last year. The frontcourt is probably better, but at worst the same as last year. 
 
Hayward's overrated, but at the same time overratedly underrated. He's one of the most patient wings in the game, and is one of the better distributors at his position. He was statistically in the 95th Percentile in scoring efficiency coming off of screens last year, and he's an above average defender and not a liability
 
Only area Celtics downgrade is Avery Bradley's defense to guard Kyrie. But the Cavs were the only team where Bradley guards the point guard regularly -- against every other team IT still guards the point guard (Wall, Curry, etc). And if there is a situation where IT is simply way too weak to guard his matchup, we can always bring in Smart for his lockdown defense and now the offense won't fully stagnate since Hayward can actually run an offense. This is a clearly better team than last year's team, and we can now have two former #3 picks practice every day with an All Star forward as their matchup to improve their game.

Just stop and save yourself the effort

 

[Paulius]

As for Fultz, one would think that if Stevens didn't have an issue with Fultz that he would have gone #1, no? It's not like Ainge was the only one that didn't like Fultz -- clearly the coach didn't want to work with Fultz either 

And yall will regret it

 

[bosoxlover12]

We'll lose in the ECF again to Lebron, and that's fine

 
learn to read first

 

[bosoxlover12]

And yall will regret it

maybe. I trust brad that fultz isn't the guy.
 
everyone was saying boston should have taken dunn over jaylen last year, and we rightfully so did not. obviously we all value Fultz higher than those others but its not unlike a top pick to fail. Beasley surely didn't live up to the hype he at one point had. MKG went 2nd in a draft with Bradley Beal and Damian Lillard. It doesn't look great now, but lets not judge the trade until the rookies really do anything

 

[Paulius]

maybe. I trust brad that fultz isn't the guy.
 
everyone was saying boston should have taken dunn over jaylen last year, and we rightfully so did not. obviously we all value Fultz higher than those others but its not unlike a top pick to fail. Beasley surely didn't live up to the hype he at one point had. MKG went 2nd in a draft with Bradley Beal and Damian Lillard. It doesn't look great now, but lets not judge the trade until the rookies really do anything

You're right for sure. Time will tell how it all plays out

 

[bosoxlover12]

yup. and lets also not factor in that boston did get another valuable pick with tatum too. for all we know next year boston has the first two picks in the draft, and the prospects are better than this years, and therefore that #2 pick and Tatum would be a far better value than Fultz any day.
 
 
We'll see once the season progresses

 

[Paulius]

 
learn to read first

So if your mindset is already set to lose to lebron in the ecf, and prolly lose to him the next however many years, why do you want the Celtics to keep IT and pay him all that money if it wont change a thing?!?

Why not sell him while his value is high right now. Why sit on the same ECF exit instead of making moves for the future or some shit. I dont get that.

The longer you wait, the more his value will drop, the more older he'll get, and after paying him the max, 2-3 years into his contract, teams will just shy away from that contract man(assuming yall gonna throw a 4-5 year at him)

I mean i know hes your guy, and u wanna get to the ecf or whatever, but i simply would have already moved him after the year he had, gotten a shit ton of assets and try to build a young power house(look at the sixers) for an era after bron, which is right around the corner....instead of just losing to him in the ECF anyway but thats just me i guess

 

[Paulius]

yup. and lets also not factor in that boston did get another valuable pick with tatum too. for all we know next year boston has the first two picks in the draft, and the prospects are better than this years, and therefore that #2 pick and Tatum would be a far better value than Fultz any day.
 
 
We'll see once the season progresses

Exactly. This proves even more that its time to build a young power house for an era after bron with all these assets and trade of guys like horford IT AND GET EVEN MORE ASSETS while theyre not too old and still have value, especially horford

 

[Mexi]

Paulie vs the celtics is still a weird fight

 

[Paulius]

Im not the only one dog

I preached all year long about trading of the vets and how IT isnt worth a max and then around the draft people were saying the same shit, is it really worth maxing IT, should they trade him and shit like that

 

[bosoxlover12]

Okay, Paulie.
 
You're the GM of a team wanting to trade for Al Horford, for Isaiah Thomas. They can be in the same deal, separate deal; doesn't matter.
 
What are you willing to send out to Boston in return?

 

[Mexi]

They dont need to

Bigger cakewalk this year than the last 2

not even

They have no depth right now

 

[Mexi]

I swear. Michael Jordan losing in the first rounds or 2nd rounds as much as he did was way better for his legacy than losing in the finals

Crazy

Now we get people saying lebron has cake walks and bring up his finals records

Its just funny

 

[Paulius]

If i wasnt lit right now id try to think of some scenarios but too much to think rn

After the season IT had tho, im sure desperate teams would pony up and give u some lottos/young prospects


Horfords a tough one cuz hes dust on an ass contract. That ones on yall for giving him that much tho, shitty GMing


So im assuming your point with this is that yall wouldnt get back too much for them, so might as well keep em? which now u got me thinking and it might be true

I guess your players arent very valuable then and Ainge constructed a shitty big 3 if we being honest