2014 NBA Playoffs Thread

[CameronCrazy06]

Raptors fans get so butthurt when you say anything negative about their team

 

[jonathanlambert33]

A 29 year old Deron Williams is finished.... lmao get real.

Toronto's entire team is role players (or should I say "roll" players) outside of maybe Derozan

And Jonas Valanciunis is garbage. And yes I've seen his stats this series. Rebounding the ball really well. Can't finish around the bucket unless it's a dunk. Should be averaging 30 right now if he had any skill.

I don't know about finished, but DWill is definitely not the DWill of old. He's still a solid above average guard, but is he better than Kyle Lowry? Of course not. Does Toronto have a star? Unless you count DeRozan as one, which I would not, I'd say no. But does Brooklyn have a star? Again, I'd say no. Lowry and Valanciunas aren't role players, they're building blocks.

And Valanciunas is garbage? That smells of you just making a statement without any truth just in an attempt to get a rise out of someone. And 30 points "if he had any skill?" The guy has a ton of skill. He has a good game from the post, he's a good roller, he's above average at the rim, and he's an elite rebounder. Do you know how many players in the last 67 years have averaged 30 points per game while having Valanciunas usage rate of 24? Zero. Only six players have had a usage rate of 24 or lower and scored even 20 points on the season.

I would definitely say Toronto is more talented than Brooklyn.

 

[footballplaya52]

Raptors fans get so butthurt when you say anything negative about their team

Maybe we wouldn't if you got the negative aspects right. JV is keeping us in this series. Try watching the game bud.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Raptors fans get so butthurt when you say anything negative about their team

That is kind of how they will come across to you until you start making a lick of sense.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

You're taking my post about Valanciunis averaging 30 far too literally bro. I don't actually think he could average 30, I don't give a fuck about his usage rate in that comment, etc.

My point was that, at least in Game 1, he muddied up plenty of easy plays in the post, whether it was missing a bunny or turning the ball over. I remember there was one play he shot about a four-footer, missed off the back rim, got his own rebound, shot the same shot, and missed it again. He's a decent energy big who can rebound well but in the playoffs his touch around the rim has been pretty suspect. He's also turning the ball over 5.5 times a game which is terrible.

Obviously he could never average 30 points per game over the course of an 82 game season, why the fuck would you insinuate that THAT'S what I mean when I was clearly talking about a two game sample in the playoffs. For what it's worth, he could've easily had 30+ in Game 1. Even if he just scored 15 in Game 2, then in the series right there he's averaging at least 22.5 per game. But no please continue to ruin conversations with your over reliance on advanced statistics that you use to cover for the fact that you know nothing about the actual game of basketball.

 

[footballplaya52]

Its no secret the raps don't use him enough though. I said it during both games. When we feed JV we play better.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

You're taking my post about Valanciunis averaging 30 far too literally bro. I don't actually think he could average 30, I don't give a fuck about his usage rate in that comment, etc.

My point was that, at least in Game 1, he muddied up plenty of easy plays in the post, whether it was missing a bunny or turning the ball over. I remember there was one play he shot about a four-footer, missed off the back rim, got his own rebound, shot the same shot, and missed it again. He's a decent energy big who can rebound well but in the playoffs his touch around the rim has been pretty suspect. He's also turning the ball over 5.5 times a game which is terrible.

Obviously he could never average 30 points per game over the course of an 82 game season, why the fuck would you insinuate that THAT'S what I mean when I was clearly talking about a two game sample in the playoffs. For what it's worth, he could've easily had 30+ in Game 1. Even if he just scored 15 in Game 2, then in the series right there he's averaging at least 22.5 per game. But no please continue to ruin conversations with your over reliance on advanced statistics that you use to cover for the fact that you know nothing about the actual game of basketball.

Who's really butthurt? lol

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Maybe we wouldn't if you got the negative aspects right. JV is keeping us in this series. Try watching the game bud.

He's eating KG alive in terms of effort and what not. My point was that if he had skill (alright since Raptors fans are up my ass, MORE skill), he should easily be averaging more points a game. He misses so many easy shots around the rim and in the first two games has turned the ball over way too much.

I'd hardly say he's the one keeping the Raptors in the series though.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Who's really butthurt? lol

Solid response trollafan

 

[footballplaya52]

He's eating KG alive in terms of effort and what not. My point was that if he had skill (alright since Raptors fans are up my ass, MORE skill), he should easily be averaging more points a game. He misses so many easy shots around the rim and in the first two games has turned the ball over way too much.

I'd hardly say he's the one keeping the Raptors in the series though.

If the nets were smart they would start Blatche. He's got the power down low to handle JV.

 

[footballplaya52]

Solid response trollafan

Lol'd

 

[CameronCrazy06]

If the nets were smart they would start Blatche. He's got the power down low to handle JV.

Them starting KG is as much about team chemistry as anything. You can't bench him at this point.

 

[footballplaya52]

Them starting KG is as much about team chemistry as anything. You can't bench him at this point.

Well at least play him more than plumlee cause he's getting bitched by JV too.

 

[snipezo]

Raptors fans get so butthurt when you say anything negative about their team

Heh

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Solid response trollafan

Ok...

Valanciunas is shooting 69% at the rim this series. Well above average.

But his touch around the rim has been suspect? Where's the truth in that statement?

 

[CameronCrazy06]

If you're looking at his shot locations on synergy or wherever they're only going to qualify "around the rim" as a lay-up or a dunk whereas I would qualify anything below the jump ball circle really as around the rim which most sites classify as 3-9 feet or whatever measurements you prefer.

I understand Jonas can dunk the ball just fine

 

[jonathanlambert33]

If you're looking at his shot locations on synergy or wherever they're only going to qualify "around the rim" as a lay-up or a dunk whereas I would qualify anything below the jump ball circle really as around the rim which most sites classify as 3-9 feet or whatever measurements you prefer.

I understand Jonas can dunk the ball just fine

Two dunks this series, twelve made shots. Like I said, 69% at the rim. Something has to give. You feel free to classify it however you like, but I wouldn't classify dunks, lay ups, and tip ins in the same group, whether they come at the rim or not. Going back to your "he has no skill" statement, being able to finish a high percentage of your lay ups and tip ins is certainly a skill, and a skill not every player has. Infact, I'd venture to say Valanciunas has shown better "touch" this series than he did during the regular season.

And this is why I use stats. Not to cover up my lack of knowledge about the game, which I can ensure you is not the case, but because they prove points. How are you supposed to just come into a thread and state a point, without anything to back it up? I think it's been proven that your word, my word, or anyones word isn't good enough. We've agreed on this before. Watch the games, study the game, research the stats. This will give you a greater grasp on what's really the truth. But whatever, you'll probably just come back at me like a child with another insult or something, but keep doing you, by all means.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Not sure where you're pulling stats from but simply by looking at shot charts, he's shot 22 shots in the series and 18 of them have been right around the rim. He's made 11 which is good for 61.1% (without looking at other sites I'd assume this number is below league average)

But maybe I didn't "study these games" enough.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Quick thought about Chicago/Washington series. Nene is averaging 21 a game on 63% shooting this series, a 7 point increase and a 13% increase in his percentages. Putting in lots of work against the DPOY, Joakim Noah. Seems to me Noah isn't necessarily winning the one on one battle, which he should. He's having some trouble defending Nene when he goes left. But the big thing is Chicago's defensive philosophies, which Washington is kind of picking a part right now. Now that the series is going to Washington it will be interesting to see if Thibs adjusts a little, or if he even adjusts at all. It's easy to say but hard to do.

 

[Mexi]

Games suck tonight
At least the heat and spurs game

I think houston wins wire to wire