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The season is over and done with but you'd rather base your top 5 current goalies on your own predictions for next season rather than what they've actually done over the last year?

It doesn't matter what you think he'll do next season though, it's top 5 "today". Thomas not on anyone's list right now is just wrong.

I know, right! Seriously, though, I don't think he's given up that much in all his other previous starts against the Yanks this year.

And then Beckett ruined it in like 5 minutes lol

They've won that trade so far only because we haven't seen Coyle in the NHL yet. If he plays to his potential, and there's nothing showing that he won't at least get close to it, San Jose loses.

This shouldn't be much of a shock to anyone here though. We've know/speculated since he went down again last season that it was over. Really sad too because Savy was a tremendous playmaker and you could clearly see he was missed on the PP.

Just hope he isn't pushing to get back. Would be a real shame if he was set back because of it.

Thank you, all I'm saying.

Okay you can give up 7 runs and get a win as well. I don't know anyone here that is taking great value in wins. Personally, though, I think when it's a guy like Verlander you don't have to completely discount them. He is a main factor in winning games.

and he theoretically (and realistically) couldn't...what's your point?

Just because he "could" have that ERA and win 20 games doesn't mean he would.

A little late though, he was found not guilty.

Ask Henrik and Daniel about it

Are you saying that Suh's hit on Dalton got in Brady's head or the defensive pressure did?

Right. I'm just trying to defend against it being a "useless" stat.

Yeah but neither of those guys usually last long into games. Guys like Weaver and Verlander average about 7+IP, which is definitely enough time to factor in a win.

Again, no lol The differences between them are small percentages.

Doesn't make it any less wrong...I'm more upset at the idiot official that was looking right at it though

so I may be understanding why non-Lions fans don't like Suh lol

You're too hung up on OBP. Yes, it's a good evaluator but it isn't the only thing. Trumbo is putting up good offensive numbers, as Yanks said, in a weak year for rookie hitters, in the Angels' mediocre offense. That counts for something. And no, Pineda isn't pitching better than Hellickson...