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Not one, not two, not three … zero is the number of championships won by LeBron James so far. The East is opening up, but a 2012 title is no forgone conclusion, either.

Despite being able to single-handedly dominate basketball games, James' championship drought leaves his legacy in question.

Still, James is likely to win his third MVP this season, something only the game's greats can lay claim to.* His talents are undeniable. And this year, he's got a very good shot at winning his first ring. But title or not, he's still the best player since Michael Jordan and the numbers clearly show it.

Since Jordan

Since Michael Jordan retired in 1998, nobody (including Jordan himself) has lived up to the standard he set. Besides James, however, all serious contenders for best player honors since MJ have a championship ring. Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant even have come close to replicating Jordan's total of six.

Nevertheless, as the table below shows, James rises above the rest in terms of individual numbers. He has led the league in PER five times and in win shares four times, both the highest since Jordan. In terms of total MVP votes he is only barely behind Duncan and Bryant despite a considerably shorter career.

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Player 	        PER Leader 	WS Leader 	MVP Shares 	Titles 	Team Quality
Kobe Bryant 	0 	        0 	        3.8 	        5 	4.2
Tim Duncan 	0 	        2 	        4.2 	        4 	6.2
Kevin Garnett 	2 	        2 	        2.8 	        1 	2
LeBron James 	5 	        4 	        3.5 	        0 	3.3
Dirk Nowitzki 	2 	        2 	        1.8 	        1 	3.8
S. O'Neal 	5 	        2 	        4.4 	        4 	4
Dwyane Wade 	0 	        0 	        0.8 	        1 	1.6
There are two reasons James' individual numbers might finally translate to postseason success this season.

The first is obvious: a lack of talent around him while with the Cleveland Cavaliers. The two All-Stars who played with him in Cleveland were Mo Williams, a backup on a No. 4 seed now, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, an Eastern Conference center. In the seasons before and after James' time with the Cavaliers, the team won a combined 36 games, only one more win than James' worst season with Cleveland.

That excuse is gone now that he's joined forces with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. A second problem has arisen, though; the best team doesn't always win. James has been the victim of bad luck against the Orlando Magic and Dallas Mavericks, and the beneficiary of good luck in his first run to the Finals. Factoring in his Miami Heat teammates and looking over his entire career, James' teams have been 3.3 points better than average, not substantially different from that of other superstars. Yet he still has no ring.

It is notable that James has never been a part of a dominant goliath like the 1995-96 Bulls. It's also important to note that a title, despite what many fans might like to think, should not be the end-all-be-all of greatness. There are still four other players on the floor and chance involved when it comes to a seven-game series.

These playoffs

Skeptics are of course pointing out James' disappearance during parts of last year's NBA Finals. He definitely didn't play up to his lofty standards, especially in a crucial Game 4 loss to the Mavs. And in fans' minds, persistent failure in the playoffs would be a catastrophic flaw in James' overall package.

Yet people tend to forget how in many other playoff games, James has risen to the occasion. His Game 7 duel with the Celtics' Paul Pierce in 2008, his single-handed overpowering of the Pistons in 2007 and even his performance against the Bulls last season all would fit well as part of Jordan's portfolio.

A small number of games never makes for good evaluation, though, so what happens if we take a higher level look? It turns out that over James' career, his playoff PER is actually slightly worse than it is during the regular season. But it also turns out that's not an uncommon trend for stars.

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Player 	        Career PER 	Playoff PER 	Change
H. Olajuwon 	23.6 	        25.7 	        2.1
Dirk Nowitzki 	23.6 	        24.7 	        1.1
Michael Jordan 	27.9 	        28.6 	        0.7
Tim Duncan 	24.7 	        25.4 	        0.7
S. O'Neal 	26.4 	        26.1 	        -0.3
LeBron James 	27.2 	        26.4 	        -0.8
Dwyane Wade 	25.7 	        24.7 	        -1
Kobe Bryant 	23.4 	        22.3 	        -1.1
Magic Johnson 	24.1 	        23 	        -1.1
Larry Bird 	23.5 	        21.4 	        -2.1
Paul Pierce 	20.7 	        18.5 	        -2.2
An overall downward trend makes sense against better competition, and we've previously touched upon the heightened importance of big men in the playoffs. But to summarize the list to the right, it appears that two types of players generally appear to elevate their play in the postseason: big men and Jordan.

Small forwards like James tend to fare worst of all. And what of Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Bryant? Looking beyond the small number of memorable plays etched in playoff history and focusing on overall individual performance across all playoff games, those three players all could be considered bigger playoff chokers than James.

In the end, let's remember that James is just 27 years old this season, nearly the same age as Jordan when he won his first title. According to the TeamRankings.com projections, Miami currently has a 23 percent chance of winning the 2011-12 NBA championship. If the Heat do win, James would earn his first ring. And if you ask MJ, 23 is a great number, indeed. But the numbers bear out that he's already established his place as the best player of his generation regardless of a championship or not.
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Logically believe he goes down as the 2nd best to ever play the game by the time his career is over.
 

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Give LeBron one of those two in their prime and I'm sure he's got at least one ring by now.
 

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Yeah, they've been together for one year and made it to the NBA Finals that season while still not being fully comfortable playing together and with a shitty roster around them.

If they don't win this year, feel free to talk all the shit that you want.
 

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Yeah, they've been together for one year and made it to the NBA Finals that season while still not being fully comfortable playing together and with a shitty roster around them.

If they don't win this year, feel free to talk all the shit that you want.
And Kobe never had two major stars like LeQuan will.

Kobe > LeBron.
 

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Kobe had the most dominant player in the NBA on his team for his first three rings, he didn't need a third star. That 03-04 team was loaded too with him, Shaq, The Glove, The Mailman and they lost in the Finals.

Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Metta World Peace/Trevor Ariza were no scrubs.

LeQuan has to be the worst insulting nickname ever btw, doesn't even make any sense.
 

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Kobe had the most dominant player in the NBA on his team for his first three rings, he didn't need a third star. That 03-04 team was loaded too with him, Shaq, The Glove, The Mailman and they lost in the Finals.

Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Metta World Peace/Trevor Ariza were no scrubs.

LeQuan has to be the worst insulting nickname ever btw, doesn't even make any sense.
Do I really care what you think of what I call someone ? Really ?

All I need to do is this.



Till you can show me a similar image of LeBron, they are not in the same league.
 

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701, you are just really dumb

Kobe won his championships with either Shaq or Pau on him.

Lakers didn't make the Finals in Shaq's first year in LA, nor in Pau's.
Heat lost in the NBA Finals last year. They have the best winning percentage in the league since The Decision.

And look at the 07(?) Cavs, the ones that made the Finals and lost to the Spurs. That team was garbage, and they made the Finals! Their 2nd best player was Mo Williams, who at the beginning of this season was the #4 PG on the Clipps. Last time Kobe had a roster that bad was 05, and they sucked. They ended up drafting Bynum, but Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers, or to get better stars (they got Pau that next season). Kobe led his team to mediocrity, Lebron led shit teams to the Finals.


Lebron>kobe
 

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701, you are just really dumb

Kobe won his championships with either Shaq or Pau on him.

Lakers didn't make the Finals in Shaq's first year in LA, nor in Pau's.
Heat lost in the NBA Finals last year. They have the best winning percentage in the league since The Decision.

And look at the 07(?) Cavs, the ones that made the Finals and lost to the Spurs. That team was garbage, and they made the Finals! Their 2nd best player was Mo Williams, who at the beginning of this season was the #4 PG on the Clipps. Last time Kobe had a roster that bad was 05, and they sucked. They ended up drafting Bynum, but Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers, or to get better stars (they got Pau that next season). Kobe led his team to mediocrity, Lebron led shit teams to the Finals.


Lebron>kobe
Yes, people forget how mediocre the Lakers were with just Kobe on their squad. The time between them having Shaq to Pau, they were completely irrelevant. LeBron took a team equally as bad to the Finals.
 

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LeBron's 07 team was definitely better than what the Lakers had those years, not that much better though.
 

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Cavs had more depth, but that supporting cast was led by Larry Hughes and got to the Finals. But yeah, they might have been a little better. Kobe doesn't take that team to the Finals though, not a chance.
 

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701, you are just really dumb

Kobe won his championships with either Shaq or Pau on him.

Lakers didn't make the Finals in Shaq's first year in LA, nor in Pau's.
Heat lost in the NBA Finals last year. They have the best winning percentage in the league since The Decision.

And look at the 07(?) Cavs, the ones that made the Finals and lost to the Spurs. That team was garbage, and they made the Finals! Their 2nd best player was Mo Williams, who at the beginning of this season was the #4 PG on the Clipps. Last time Kobe had a roster that bad was 05, and they sucked. They ended up drafting Bynum, but Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers, or to get better stars (they got Pau that next season). Kobe led his team to mediocrity, Lebron led shit teams to the Finals.


Lebron>kobe
Wait who has multiple rings ? and now who has 0 ?

ONLY STAT I NEED.
 

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Adam Morrison > LeBron James?
 

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Well then, Ben Wallace > Karl Malone/Stockton?
 

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