Reggie Wayne Fumes Over Lack Of Targets

[The Edge]

If Stafford stays healthy he will be a franchise QB.

I have to agree with this. Matt gets a lot of hate from a lot of places but he went to the worst possible situation he could. His team has no defense as well as the fact that the offensive line looked more like 5 statues than actual players. Stafford has a lot of the same tools that make Peyton Manning a great QB. I think you switch his and Sanchez's roles around as a lot of the country thought and the Lions are still locking up top 3 draft picks and the Jets have a much better offense. As it lays, maybe Stafford doesn't get beat up too much before they can assemble him a full team and can turn around that organization like Manning did the Colts and Ryan has the Falcons.

 

[DannyColtsBro]

It would be a good idea for Reggie to get off Revis Island. I kind of see why he was mad, considering they didn't even try to move him away or anything like that, but he wasn't open and needs to stfu.

 

[Oiler35]

So he's not a franchise QB because he was hurt? That's a terrible argument - Brady missed 15 games in 2008; I guess he wasn't the franchise QB. Since when does a DEEP playoff run constitute being a franchise QB? It may constitute being a great QB, but the Cowboys signed Romo to a very long extension; they are committed to him to be the QB of their team for many years to come. Their running game is not steller by the way, what are you talking about?!? They were 16th in the league in rushing this year, hardly stellar. Romo is a very good QB, on the verge of becoming great. But that has nothing to do with the fact that he is the Dallas Cowboys' franchise QB...

Because he was hurt this year, he wasn't the franchise quarterback THIS YEAR. And the team is not built around him anyways, it's built around the run game. Shit, I've said this like, 5 times now. Leading your team is what helps make them the franchise player. You think guys like Bob Sanders are going to be the face of the Colts defense when they miss more games than they've played? Fuck no.
They have 3 different backs that they do not utilize to their full potential. Tashard Choice was a fucking beast in college, Felix Jones needs an opportunity to prove himself, and Barber was good before he hit the wall.
Again, Romo has the potential to become a franchise quarterback, but until he becomes one, he's like Matt Cassel.

Just to clear it up, I'm not not the one who neg repped you (nor am I accusing you of calling me out).

+1.

Matt was 27/7 this year. Anybody on this forum would be delighted if their QB puts up those numbers. I was disappointed in his play in the game. But I'm not gonna give up on him after thinking about how we literally signed a dude off the street and started him in Kevin Curtis and how D-Bowe was on the back of a milk carton today and how Mccluster is almost worthless.

Now back to the Colts and Jags debate....

Yeah, he gets the opportunity to throw the ball in the redzone, giving him that inflated touchdown number. The man only has 208 yards per game in the air. 208! He had TWO games this season where he broke the 300 barrier, and that was with 34 attempts, against the Titans, and 53 attempts against Denver, and you still lost!
Looking at games where Matt struggled:
Week 2- @CLE, 46.1 passer rating, 16/28, for 176 yards, and 2 INTs.
Week 5- @IND, 7-.5 passer rating, 16/29, for 156 yards.
Week 17- OAK, 19.1 passer rating, 11/33, for 115 yards, and 2 INTs.
The point here, sure, he's not a bad quarterback, but he's inconsistent, and he's not the main focus of the offense. The main focus is your 1st ranked run offense, with Jones and Charles, both beasts.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

A quarterback's status as the franchise QB doesn't vary year in and year out though, he either is the guy or he isn't. That offense isn't built around the run game, if it was they would have a rushing offense better than 16 and a true #1 RB who can carry that unit; but they don't. If you sign your star QB to a hefty extension, he is your franchise QB. He is THE guy. I don't understand what you fail to see in that. There's a difference between being a franchise QB and being elite.

 

[The Young One]

Of course his passing numbers aren't gonna be gaudy Sam. We have the number 1 rushing offense. There was a stretch in the season where I believe he threw over 20 touchdowns and only threw about 3-4 picks.Padding stats or not That's outstanding.

 

[footballplaya52]

A quarterback's status as the franchise QB doesn't vary year in and year out though, he either is the guy or he isn't. That offense isn't built around the run game, if it was they would have a rushing offense better than 16 and a true #1 RB who can carry that unit; but they don't. If you sign your star QB to a hefty extension, he is your franchise QB. He is THE guy. I don't understand what you fail to see in that. There's a difference between being a franchise QB and being elite.

i once again agree with this man.

even if peyton or brady or anyone gets hurt, they are still the franchise QB.

for example; stafford is detroits Franchise QB until he leaves, hurt or not, because they have the franchise on his shoulders.

 

[.infamous]

i once again agree with this man.

even if peyton or brady or anyone gets hurt, they are still the franchise QB.

for example; stafford is detroits Franchise QB until he leaves, hurt or not, because they have the franchise on his shoulders.

Literally on his shoulders because he can hurt his shoulder at any second lol.

 

[kam.]

Lets clear somethings up here.

1). The Negative rep things is all SG and Blake, for some reason they team up with each other in almost every thread that I'm in and give me negative rep whenever I actually make pretty clearcut arguments. They think it makes them look cool because they have a +2 on the bottom of their posts and a -2 on the bottom of mine.

2). A Franchise QB is a QB that the team has committed to for the future of the Franchise. Thats why I said Cassel is a Franchise QB, the Chiefs gave up a second round pick for him, that tells alot. Romo is a franchise QB, and all he does is get injured and choke? If I remember correctly, Peyton Manning is tied with Warren Moon for the most one and dones in the post season.. not Romo. Also, this was his first year really injured kid.

3). You really don't know what you're talking about SG, so please stop trying to drag out long arguments, it really makes you look dumbfounded.

This is all.

 

[Elite]

In 2007, New England set NFL records, won all but one game the entire season and made it to the SuperBowl. The Jets' haven't been in a superbowl since the 60's. The roster may be different, but they still have Brady and Bill -- I'm sure that's about all they need. Look at Branch, he was terrible in Seattle. He has started more games this season in New England than he did in Seattle in the past two season. He also has two more touchdowns than he did in those two seasons as a Patriot.

Pierre Thomas last season rushed for more yards than your boy LT and Shonn Greene. He had a higher yards per carry average and just two fumbles. He started in 14 games.

We all know that the Colts offense has been in a downward spiral. They had a total of five defensive backs on the injured list. So don't think that the New York passing attack accomplished much -- clearly they didn't.

Sanchez will choke, it's a matter of time. This isn't the same Patriots team that New York beat early in the season, the momentum has changed. That fucking offense is ferocious, and there is no way in hell the Jets can stop it.

And in 2007, the Pats choked away a Super Bowl. Who cares if they set records and made it to the Superbowl if they choked it away? That just proves how unclutch they were. Don't get what the Jets not being to a Superbowl since forever has anything to do with anything. I'm just going to ignore you said that all you need is Brady and Bill for a Superbowl, pure ignorance. Don't get what the Deion Branch thing has anything to do with what we're talking about.

Indy was a top 5 offense in the league during the regular season, downward spiral or not, they're a great offensive team. Holding them to 16 points is an accomplishment. I already said that the Jets didn't do anything in the passing game, never said otherwise.

Sanchez will choke? He's been coming up big late in close games all season long and we even lost a few that he came up clutch in because of drops. Who knows which New England team shows up on Saturday? It's a good bet that it's going to be their dominant one, but the Jets are still one of the more talented teams in football. The Patriots offense is ferocious but despite the last game we played against them, I still think that we can figure out a way to slow it down. Our defense is still one of the best in football. The only problem is that our main strengths, which are our CBs, go to waste because of the type of routes the New England WRs are usually running.

 

[Blake]

Lets clear somethings up here.

1). The Negative rep things is all SG and Blake, for some reason they team up with each other in almost every thread that I'm in and give me negative rep whenever I actually make pretty clearcut arguments. They think it makes them look cool because they have a +2 on the bottom of their posts and a -2 on the bottom of mine.

2). A Franchise QB is a QB that the team has committed to for the future of the Franchise. Thats why I said Cassel is a Franchise QB, the Chiefs gave up a second round pick for him, that tells alot. Romo is a franchise QB, and all he does is get injured and choke? If I remember correctly, Peyton Manning is tied with Warren Moon for the most one and dones in the post season.. not Romo. Also, this was his first year really injured kid.

3). You really don't know what you're talking about SG, so please stop trying to drag out long arguments, it really makes you look dumbfounded.

This is all.

I have better things to worry about that my rep status on SI. Don't think I care to negative rep someone, ever.

One of my posts in this topic had +4 rep, it's now at +2. I wonder who did that? So shut up.

 

[Blake]

And in 2007, the Pats choked away a Super Bowl. Who cares if they set records and made it to the Superbowl if they choked it away? That just proves how unclutch they were. Don't get what the Jets not being to a Superbowl since forever has anything to do with anything. I'm just going to ignore you said that all you need is Brady and Bill for a Superbowl, pure ignorance. Don't get what the Deion Branch thing has anything to do with what we're talking about.

Indy was a top 5 offense in the league during the regular season, downward spiral or not, they're a great offensive team. Holding them to 16 points is an accomplishment. I already said that the Jets didn't do anything in the passing game, never said otherwise.

Sanchez will choke? He's been coming up big late in close games all season long and we even lost a few that he came up clutch in because of drops. Who knows which New England team shows up on Saturday? It's a good bet that it's going to be their dominant one, but the Jets are still one of the more talented teams in football. The Patriots offense is ferocious but despite the last game we played against them, I still think that we can figure out a way to slow it down. Our defense is still one of the best in football. The only problem is that our main strengths, which are our CBs, go to waste because of the type of routes the New England WRs are usually running.

They did smack the Jets around twice that season.

I refered to Branch in response to you saying they were a different team -- obviously that doesn't matter, they still won the division.

Sig bet on who wins Jets vs Patriots. I got New England.

 

[Oiler35]

A quarterback's status as the franchise QB doesn't vary year in and year out though, he either is the guy or he isn't. That offense isn't built around the run game, if it was they would have a rushing offense better than 16 and a true #1 RB who can carry that unit; but they don't. If you sign your star QB to a hefty extension, he is your franchise QB. He is THE guy. I don't understand what you fail to see in that. There's a difference between being a franchise QB and being elite.

Yes, and no. Was Brett Favre the guy in Minnesota? He sure as fuck was in Green Bay. Sure, Romo stayed on the same team, but he's not the main point of the offense, the run game is. They still run the ball more than Romo throws on any given Sunday. Sure, he's one of the main points, but he is not THE main point of the offense.

Of course his passing numbers aren't gonna be gaudy Sam. We have the number 1 rushing offense. There was a stretch in the season where I believe he threw over 20 touchdowns and only threw about 3-4 picks.Padding stats or not That's outstanding.

He is not the franchise player. Their run game is the best in the NFL, and it's the main focus for the team.

Lets clear somethings up here.

1). The Negative rep things is all SG and Blake, for some reason they team up with each other in almost every thread that I'm in and give me negative rep whenever I actually make pretty clearcut arguments. They think it makes them look cool because they have a +2 on the bottom of their posts and a -2 on the bottom of mine.

EDIT: Sorry, I positive rep'd two Blake post for defending me. My bad.

2). A Franchise QB is a QB that the team has committed to for the future of the Franchise. Thats why I said Cassel is a Franchise QB, the Chiefs gave up a second round pick for him, that tells alot. Romo is a franchise QB, and all he does is get injured and choke? If I remember correctly, Peyton Manning is tied with Warren Moon for the most one and dones in the post season.. not Romo. Also, this was his first year really injured kid.

3). You really don't know what you're talking about SG, so please stop trying to drag out long arguments, it really makes you look dumbfounded.

This is all.

I have not neg rep'd a single post in here, not do I give a fuck about reps on a forums. My rep on this forums is -300 and something, and really, I don't give a fuck. I'll printscreen this motherfucker if I have to.

At the same time though, they have to be the main focus now. Cassel is not the main focus, their run game is. Romo is becoming the focus, but the run game is still very dominant in Dallas. And I love how you blame Peyton for choking when atleast 90% of the time it's not his fault. At least he can get the team to the playoffs, unlike in Jacksonville. Oh, and I forgot that the same guy complaining about not getting the ball, and the same guy that couldn't get open against Revis ran the wrong route in the Superbowl, which again, I know you'll blame Peyton for.

And there is no need for personal attacks. I haven't made one this entire time, and you felt the need to jump in and make one.

 

[The Young One]

Sam...you don't give guys 60 million dollar deals just to be a stop gap guy. He's our Franchise QB.

 

[Oiler35]

Sam...you don't give guys 60 million dollar deals just to be a stop gap guy. He's our Franchise QB.

It's not my fault that they over-paid him. He is not the main focus for the offense, when they have the first ranked run game in the NFL. I don't see how much clearer I can make it.

 

[The Young One]

Just because he isnt the main focus of the offense doesn't mean he isn't the franchise player. I dont know how you can say he isn't our franchise guy. 27/7....63 million dollar deal.

I can't make it clearer. He's the guy our front office is gonna build the team around.

 

[Oiler35]

Just because he isnt the main focus of the offense doesn't mean he isn't the franchise player. I dont know how you can say he isn't our franchise guy. 27/7....63 million dollar deal.

I can't make it clearer. He's the guy our front office is gonna build the team around.

The team is built around their run game. It's the main focus. It's the best in the NFL. When NFL teams are planning to stop the offense, they plan on stopping the backs, and worry about Cassel later. He is not the franchise back. They build the offense around the run game. They call the plays trying to utilize the run game. The play-action works better when you have the #1 run game in the league. I don't care what his contract is, but the run game is what the franchise SHOULD build the team around, not a mediocre, average leader, quarterback that is way overpaid.

 

[The Young One]

The team is built around their run game. It's the main focus. It's the best in the NFL. When NFL teams are planning to stop the offense, they plan on stopping the backs, and worry about Cassel later. He is not the franchise back. They build the offense around the run game. They call the plays trying to utilize the run game. The play-action works better when you have the #1 run game in the league. I don't care what his contract is, but the run game is what the franchise SHOULD build the team around, not a mediocre, average leader, quarterback that is way overpaid.

The first thing our ex coordinator said when he came to the team...his job was to fix the qb. 27/7 aren't mediocre average QB numbers. And of course the offense is gonna be built around the run..we have JC/TJ...all we have in the pass game is Bowe..who isnt a guarantee to show up. And a rookie TE. So i'm sorry Cassel isn't out there slinging it around like Manning. Worry about the colts..let me worry bout the chiefs.

 

[kam.]

Don't bother trying to explain it.

If he don't understand by now, he won't get it through his head at all.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Ben Roethlisberger used to play for the Steelers when they had one of the best rushing attacks in the league. I guess he wasn't the franchise QB...

 

[kam.]

Ben Roethlisberger used to play for the Steelers when they had one of the best rushing attacks in the league. I guess he wasn't the franchise QB...

Matt Ryans rookie year they had one of the best rushing attacks... no Franchise QB there either.
Matt Schaub is a franchise QB and they had the leading rusher in the NFL.. must not be a franchise QB though.