Are the Magic really a better team?

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Sonny weems and antoine wright are asscheeks. And all reggie is good for is 6 fouls a game. Thanks for giving us the shooter we need in kapono btw. But I do believe the raptors are a playoff team and all of the big 3 in the east got better.
But you know Rasho is a beast, and Marco is the same shooter in Kapono if you watched him before. And even you said DeRozan will be something nice, a lot of people thought he would go top 5.
 

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I'm just saying that they get looked at as if they improved WAY more than they really did.
The Cavs won't get 66 wins again but they are definitely a lot better now. Basically exchanged Ben Wallace Sasha Pavlovic, Wally Szczerbiak and Joe Smith for Shaq, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Leon Powe,
 

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Sonny weems and antoine wright are asscheeks. And all reggie is good for is 6 fouls a game. Thanks for giving us the shooter we need in kapono btw. But I do believe the raptors are a playoff team and all of the big 3 in the east got better.
Yea, Rios you don't even know anything about Demar other then HIGHLIGHT video's, Sonny and Antoine are TRASH and Amir isn't anything either. Yes the Raptors got better but until you know a little more about the NBA and your team's players don't make a huge list of reasons why you'll be good.

Also, Rasho is not a beast lol, he's a bum too.
 

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The Cavs won't get 66 wins again but they are definitely a lot better now. Basically exchanged Ben Wallace Sasha Pavlovic, Wally Szczerbiak and Joe Smith for Shaq, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Leon Powe,
I'm just saying when you compare them to the Lakers they would still most likely get beat
 

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Did i say DeRozan will be just as good? I said he could be just as good, he's at least an upgrade over Parker for now, Rasho will definitely be big off the bench, he got 5-6 rebounds a game off the bench with the raptors, and pacers. Marco Bellinelli is better than Jason Kapono easily, has the same shot. So your telling me the Magic got better or are the same team as last year, and the Raptors didn't get better? We also added Jarret Jack, Amir Johson, Reggie Evans, Sonny Weems, and Antoine Wright. That's a pretty solid bench if you ask me, especially with Marco, who can start too.
Marco Belinelli is not "easily" better than Jason Kapono. In fact, he's not better at all. Jarrett Jack is a good addition, everyone else you named is an IR quality player. And yes, the Magic did get better. I didn't say the Raptors didn't... but you've succeeded in turning this into a conversation about the Raptors, and to that I say, congratulations. And lol DH34, Craptors. I think that's my new name for them...
 

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Marco Belinelli is not "easily" better than Jason Kapono. In fact, he's not better at all. Jarrett Jack is a good addition, everyone else you named is an IR quality player. And yes, the Magic did get better. I didn't say the Raptors didn't... but you've succeeded in turning this into a conversation about the Raptors, and to that I say, congratulations. And lol DH34, Craptors. I think that's my new name for them...
Haha that's so funny, I don't see the Magic getting close to the finals next year. And DeMar DeRozan should be good Pugz, I looked over ESPN, Highlight videos, and scouting reports on him.
 

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Marco Belinelli is not "easily" better than Jason Kapono. In fact, he's not better at all. Jarrett Jack is a good addition, everyone else you named is an IR quality player. And yes, the Magic did get better. I didn't say the Raptors didn't... but you've succeeded in turning this into a conversation about the Raptors, and to that I say, congratulations. And lol DH34, Craptors. I think that's my new name for them...
How is Rasho is IR type player? And Pugz, what do you mean until I know a little bit more about the NBA? I've been watching the Raptors since I was little.
 

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Rios I know he'll be good, but you didn't even know who he was..

Also, Rasho is trash, he's nothing to brag about at all.
 

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Rios I know he'll be good, but you didn't even know who he was..

Also, Rasho is trash, he's nothing to brag about at all.
Just because I don't know he is doesn't mean I can't search up things to see if he's going to be good, so I'm excited about him. And I don't believe VC replaces Hedo honestly.
 

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You would believe it if Hedo didn't go to the Craptors, but he did, so now you're a fan of his. Anyways, as much as you'd like to think it does, your saying "I don't think the Magic will get close to the Finals" doesn't affect me or the Magic. Good luck going .500 this year...
 

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You would believe it if Hedo didn't go to the Craptors, but he did, so now you're a fan of his. Anyways, as much as you'd like to think it does, your saying "I don't think the Magic will get close to the Finals" doesn't affect me or the Magic. Good luck going .500 this year...
So your telling me Hedo did nothing to help your team, I would've thought losing Hedo all along would effect the Magic, trust me, they aren't going far this year. We'll have no trouble going .500 this year.

You automatically assume this because Hedo's a Raptor, great argument, you proved your point!
 

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So your telling me Hedo did nothing to help your team, I would've thought losing Hedo all along would effect the Magic, trust me, they aren't going far this year. We'll have no trouble going .500 this year.

You automatically assume this because Hedo's a Raptor, great argument, you proved your point!
Obviously losing Hedo hurts, he was a key part of the team. I wasn't inferring that we don't need Hedo, but statistically speaking, Vince Carter is better, and unless he becomes a cancer, the trade will work out. Every other spot on the roster has also improved; Pietrus was already better than Lee and is now starting again, Barnes takes Pietrus' 6th man role, Bass jumps Battie, Gortat is back, Nelson is healthy, Ryan Anderson is another shooter off the bench, etc, etc, etc! Like I said earlier, as long as Vince can buy into being a part of a team, the trade will work wonders. If not, it will backfire but the Magic had to do something this offseason because Hedo didn't want to resign.

And the Raptors will EASILY go .500? Good luck convincing people of that...
 

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Orlando is a Championship caliber team, and if they make it to the semi's but lose to Cleveland or Boston then they can still say they made it far.

Point is, no team in the East can compete with Orlando, Boston and Cleveland. Yes all three of those teams got better, yes Toronto got better but they still aren't a Championship caliber team and won't be for a while, I mean they could get an upset but that's unlikely.
 

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Obviously losing Hedo hurts, he was a key part of the team. I wasn't inferring that we don't need Hedo, but statistically speaking, Vince Carter is better, and unless he becomes a cancer, the trade will work out. Every other spot on the roster has also improved; Pietrus was already better than Lee and is now starting again, Barnes takes Pietrus' 6th man role, Bass jumps Battie, Gortat is back, Nelson is healthy, Ryan Anderson is another shooter off the bench, etc, etc, etc! Like I said earlier, as long as Vince can buy into being a part of a team, the trade will work wonders. If not, it will backfire but the Magic had to do something this offseason because Hedo didn't want to resign.

And the Raptors will EASILY go .500? Good luck convincing people of that...
I don't see how they aren't a .500 team... Jarret Jack is as good as TJ Ford like I said earlier, and this could bring back that duo that TJ Ford and Jose Calderon had. We made the playoffs with this starting line-up.

PG-Ford - Calderon
SG-Parker
SF-Moon
PF-Bosh
C-Rasho

So how can we not with this

PG-Calderon - Jack
SG- DeRozan, or Marco, or Jack
SF- Hedo
PF- Bosh
C-Bargnani who has been improving greatly since the coaching change
 

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Orlando is a Championship caliber team, and if they make it to the semi's but lose to Cleveland or Boston then they can still say they made it far.

Point is, no team in the East can compete with Orlando, Boston and Cleveland. Yes all three of those teams got better, yes Toronto got better but they still aren't a Championship caliber team and won't be for a while, I mean they could get an upset but that's unlikely.
I know. Toronto's goal is to get out of the first round for once, the fact that he's saying we aren't at least a .500 team is bizarre.

BTW, why do you keep insulting me that I need to learn more about the NBA? I've learned plenty, and I'm sure I made valid points to why Toronto is going to make the playoffs. I plan on watching every game this year possible.
 

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No one is saying you won't make the playoffs, but your giving your team waaaaaaay too much credit.
 

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No one is saying you won't make the playoffs, but your giving your team waaaaaaay too much credit.
No I'm not, did I say they would finish first or something like that? I'd like to see us finish 6th, i'd like to face the Magic.
 

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Yes you are, not the team as a whole but your over-hyping bum players.
 

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Yes you are, not the team as a whole but your over-hyping bum players.
Rasho had a big impact on our team when we were a playoff team, Jack is identically good to TJ Ford, Marco Belinelli has a Kapono shot. I was just saying all the players we acquired to play on the bench, plus I don't think Amir will get that much Playing time.
 

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I don't see how they aren't a .500 team... Jarret Jack is as good as TJ Ford like I said earlier, and this could bring back that duo that TJ Ford and Jose Calderon had. We made the playoffs with this starting line-up.

PG-Ford - Calderon
SG-Parker
SF-Moon
PF-Bosh
C-Rasho

So how can we not with this

PG-Calderon - Jack
SG- DeRozan, or Marco, or Jack
SF- Hedo
PF- Bosh
C-Bargnani who has been improving greatly since the coaching change
DeMar Derozan isn't much right now, the kid is a project and shouldn't be expected to do anything big right away. Marco Belinelli is an average bench player at best, I like Jarrett Jack but he's nothing too special, Bargnani's hit and miss and their bench other than the two guys I just named is terrible. I mean come on, Rasho Nesterovic? Do I need to call up Stephen A. Smith to tell you about Rasho Nesterovic?

I'm not saying this team can't make the playoffs, but you act as though they're competing for the 4th seed which is utterly false. You bring up the roster of when they made the playoffs two years ago, keep in mind that was in the Eastern Conference which 2-5 years ago was the worst conference in basketball by a large margin. The East will be more competitive this year, and it's going to be a lot harder than you think for the Raptors to make the playoffs considering they were one of the worst teams in basketball last year...
 
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