Nuggets Trade with Detroit

[Pugz]

I thought they were close too.

 

[RipCity32]

Seeing AI and Sheed on the same team is the only reason I'm excited for this.

I'm really excited about this too.

IDK if we are excited in the same way though lol.

 

[Pugz]

I'm really excited about this too.

IDK if we are excited in the same way though lol.

You aren't lol.

 

[DC4]

he shakeup promised by Detroit Pistons president Joe Dumars after last season's Eastern Conference finals has materialized just two games into the new season.

The Pistons and the Denver Nuggets have finalized a trade that sends guard Allen Iverson to Detroit in exchange for Pistons mainstays Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess.

Young center Cheikh Samb, selected by the Los Angeles Lakers for the Pistons with the 51st overall pick in the 2006 draft, will also be going to Denver in the deal.

It remains to be seen how McDyess' status is resolved, as the 34-year-old reportedly has no interest in playing for any team other than the Pistons, meaning McDyess could choose to retire or negotiate a contract buyout with Denver.

If McDyess comes negotiates a buyout and returns to the Pistons after the required 30 day period, this is a trade that Piston fans and Joe Dumars have to like. Even if there are some reservations about team chemistry, Allen Iverson is still a top-notch player in the NBA.

Iverson is 33 years old, but hot the best shooting percentage of his career last season, at almost 46%. Iverson also scored 26 ppg and averaged over 7 apg while playing almost 42 minutes per game and playing in all 82 regular-season games. Those are not the statistics of a player that is declining in skills.

If Iverson does drop off this season, then Joe Dumars has the added value of knowing that this is the last season of Allen's large contract. Dumars can let Iverson walk away and free up a lot of cap space for the Pistons. Here is what the Pistons' salary cap situation will look like after the trade, and this summer.

 

[DC4]

<Censored>, damn I already had the mother<Censored>ing pistons and this happens?

 

[.s31t]

You aren't lol.

Difference is RIP is more excited in the pants...

 

[RipCity32]

What? lol. You already had us?

 

[RipCity32]

Difference is RIP is more excited in the pants...

Naw. Not really.

 

[DC4]

and the will be cap space at the end of the season for Detroit....I hope AI stays so Detroit doesn't pick up a huge FA next Off season...

 

[Pugz]

Difference is RIP is more excited in the pants...

LOL

Man, I really can't wait to get a Ivo Jersey

 

[Pugz]

and the will be cap space at the end of the season for Detroit....I hope AI stays so Detroit doesn't pick up a huge FA next Off season...

We will let him and Sheed go.
Hell we'll prolly save that money untill 2010 so we could get Wade?

 

[DC4]

We will let him and Sheed go.
Hell we'll prolly save that money untill 2010 so we could get Wade?

Change the title to Iverson traded to Detroit.

and Hell No wade said his self, he would love to spend the rest of his career in Miami..I would be crushed if wade left Miami

 

[Grandy28]

I see Bosh coming here before Wade.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...e-Dumars-081103

 

[DC4]

In June, Pistons president Joe Dumars promised to shake things up after Detroit lost for the third straight time in the Eastern Conference finals.

"Make no mistake, everybody is in play right now," Dumars said then. "There are no sacred cows here. You lose that sacred cow status when you lose three straight years."

After a summer of trade rumors, including a reported attempt to acquire Denver Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, Dumars had to explain himself in training camp when the Pistons failed to make a deal.

But one week into the season, Dumars pulled the trigger on a deal with the Nuggets. On Monday, the Pistons decided to take the Nuggets' second-best player, agreeing to a swap of Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess for Denver's Allen Iverson.

The move is stunning for several reasons.

One, Dumars' original strategy was to package a couple of the Pistons' core players for a young, emerging star. But Iverson is 33 years old. While he's still an excellent scorer, his best years are behind him.

Two, it appeared the Pistons weren't interested in a deal that would essentially just clear cap space. But with Iverson hitting free agency this summer, that's exactly what this deal appears to be.

So what's going on in Detroit?

Whatever you want to say about Joe Dumars, the guy isn't afraid to take risks. Some of them, like drafting Darko Milicic, a little-known 17-year-old, have backfired (though swapping Milicic for the right to draft Rodney Stuckey has mitigated that decision). But most of the time, Dumars has shown the Midas touch in making risky moves. Whether it's making trades for Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace, drafting Tayshaun Prince, signing Billups to a big deal or letting Ben Wallace go, Dumars has proven he knows what he's doing.

My conversation with Dumars on Monday revealed at least four key factors in this latest gambit:

First, he has always been a fan of Iverson. In the summer of 2000, the Pistons made an aggressive move to acquire Iverson in a whopping, 14-player deal. At the last second, the deal was scuttled when Matt Geiger refused to waive his trade kicker.

At the time, Iverson was in his prime, just months away from winning the NBA MVP award. These days, Iverson doesn't have the same speed or quickness, but he's still a devastating offensive force, averaging 26.4 points and 7.1 assists per game last season. Both of those numbers would have been team highs for the Pistons.

Iverson gives the Pistons more punch, especially at the end of games. While he's not the defender or distributor Billups is, he immediately steps in as the team's best scorer.

Dumars will welcome Iverson's fiery attitude as well -- the Pistons' boss had felt his team was too complacent.

All in all, the Pistons feel that with Iverson they will be just as competitive as they were with Billups.

Second, the emergence of Stuckey made Billups expendable. Dumars believes Stuckey is the point guard of the future in Detroit. Billups has four more years on his contract, and Dumars didn't want Stuckey playing a sixth man role that long.

While it's likely Iverson will start in the backcourt with Richard Hamilton this season, when Iverson hits free agency next year, Stuckey should take over as the starting point guard in Detroit.

Stuckey has proven to be an explosive scorer. His point guard skills are still in question, but the Pistons believe he'll be just fine with more experience. Many around the league see Stuckey as a young Baron Davis type of point guard. He had better be, because Dumars is showing extraordinary faith in him by making this move.

To a lesser extent, moving McDyess is also about providing opportunity for young players -- in particular, the emerging frontcourt of Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson. The Pistons are high on both players and want to know by the summer if they have what it takes to anchor the Pistons' inside game.

Third, trading Billups and McDyess for Iverson will clear significant salary cap space for the Pistons. If Dumars lets both Iverson and Detroit's other significant free agent, Rasheed Wallace, walk next summer, the team will be approximately $21-22 million under the cap.

The 2009 free-agent class has a number of interesting players the Pistons could pursue. Carlos Boozer can opt out of his contract and could prove to be a big upgrade at the power forward position. The Pistons could also pursue restricted free agents such as Marvin Williams and David Lee.

Or the Pistons could be patient and wait until the summer of 2010, when the star-studded free-agent class is expected to include LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, who might be Detroit's most realistic target.

Fourth, the Pistons have set a high standard in Detroit the past few years, and Dumars did not want to go through a long, messy rebuilding process.

Dumars should still have a very competitive team this season. With a core of Iverson, Hamilton, Stuckey, Prince and Wallace, the Pistons are still in the elite tier in the Eastern Conference.

Though the team may take a small step backward next year with both Iverson and Wallace potentially leaving, the development of Stuckey, Maxiell and Johnson should keep the Pistons very competitive. And in the next two years, if the Pistons can add a significant piece or two, they may well return to power in the East.

All that said, this trade presents significant risks for the Pistons.

First, they have to hope Iverson is able to mix well with his teammates and keep his focus on the Pistons' success, even though he knows he'll probably be in Detroit for only this season. If he begins fretting about his lack of an extension, it could be a major distraction in Detroit.

Second, Dumars is banking on Stuckey being the real deal. His talent is undeniable, but he has to become a star to justify the trade.

Third, the Pistons are still weak on their front line. By trade or free agency, Dumars needs to bring in a significant player to help down low with both scoring and defense. If he doesn't, Detroit will struggle to remain among the elite teams in the East.

Once again, Joe Dumars has made a major gamble. But if his track record means anything, we shouldn't bet against Joe D.

 

[Pugz]

I read about Bosh wanting to be in the States more..
He should come to the D, we would have a nice 3 big man rotation and still have cap room to get more role players

 

[DC4]

Like I said I'd be severly crushed if Wade were to leave Miami.


I wonder how TYO felt when Allen left Philadelphia.

 

[The Young One]

I wonder how TYO felt when Allen left Philadelphia.

Fukkin sick. AI has been my favorite player since i was 7 years old.

 

[Pugz]

Allen didn't leave het got traded x\

 

[DC4]

I wonder how TYO felt when Allen left Philadelphia.

Fukkin sick. AI has been my favorite player since i was 7 years old.

That's How I would feel if wade were to leave Miami.


And Pugz didn't Iverson Had a No trade clause in his Contract?

 

[bestkeptsecret13]

I see Bosh coming here before Wade.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...e-Dumars-081103

Ya could have already had Bosh or Wade, but, well, you know...