~*~ The Official Marbury Thread *~*

[eLeMeNOhPe]

^^^I second that.

If he won't play, option or not, then he's in breach of contract - dock his pay and then we'll see how long he mopes on the sideline

just as long, they already gave him $57 mil lol.

isn't it funny how when a team doesn't want you, and they don't play you, it's fine, but when the player gets mad and doesn't want to play after it, THEY get in more trouble

 

[.GR]

isn't it funny how when a team doesn't want you, and they don't play you, it's fine, but when the player gets mad and doesn't want to play after it, THEY get in more trouble

That's how it should be. The players the one getting paid and the team is paying him. When you sign a contract there is nothing in the contract that says they have to play you, but there is something that says the player has to play.

 

[eLeMeNOhPe]

That's how it should be. The players the one getting paid and the team is paying him. When you sign a contract there is nothing in the contract that says they have to play you, but there is something that says the player has to play.

That's not how it should be. They didn't want him, then all the sudden when he started saying 'Why not just let me go' they wanted him again. Then when he won't play, they get mad. Everyone wants to blame Marbury in this situation, cause he comes off as a bad guy (which he is, we all know that) but the Knicks look stupid in this situation. They are just trying to come out on top if this mess.

 

[ZigZag]

I don't think many disagree with you that the Knicks look stupid, just everything makes Marbury look even more stupid.

 

[dez]

If we're not going to give him the full amount he's owed, then what we need to do is order him to stay home for the rest of the season. And if he wants to play that bad he will sooner or later agree to a amount less then what he wants now.

The players union isnt going to change anything. Someone's gotta give. Either give him his money or make him crack....

 

[dez]

Stephon Marbury has revealed he will no longer accept a buyout from the New York Knicks and he wants the team to either waive him or play him, the New York Post is reporting.

"If they give me a uniform, I'm going to go out and play," Marbury told The Post yesterday. "It's their choice. I was getting ready to go back to practice and play [after Saturday's suspension]."

It was a departure from his comments made on Thanksgiving when he said, "This needs to end. The marriage is over."

Knicks president Donnie Walsh said he expects Marbury buyout talks to resume following Monday's failed meetings. The sides are now $3 million apart after Marbury withdrew his offer to take $1 million less than his contract, which has him earning $21.9 million.

"The negotiations are over," Marbury said. "That's what they don't realize. I was wrong to try to buy my freedom. The money is off the table. I came to them with the million dollars. I didn't have to give them nothing."

Im happy to hear this, that way it puts an immediate solution to the problem. Waive him. Ive been saying it for a while now.

 

[Mexi]

if they waive him they have to pay him while he's on another team
they dont want to do that.

 

[dez]

To be honest, we've drawn this out for too long.

If we need to pay him while he's on another team, so be it. We need to get him outta here. Dolan should have given him his money, all of it. He said he would take a million off, we didnt do it.

No Marbury says no more talks, we've had our chance. So either play him or waive him. And we arent going to play him, so he's gone.

Dumbass Dolan, this is what you get.

 

[.s31t]

ESPN Radio's Jon Rothstein is reporting that a person close to Stephon Marbury told him that Marbury expects to reach a buyout settlement with the Knicks within a week.

Once released, Marbury is expected to sign on with the Heat, Celtics or Magic.

Given Jameer Nelson's somewhat disappointing season so far, and the possibility that the Heat and Celtics would not be interested, Alan Hahn of Newsday thinks Marbury could wind up in Orlando. The Mavericks may be in the mix as well.

 

[dez]

Merged.

I just wanna SEE it. Theres been alot of talk.

 

[.s31t]

Stephon Xavier Marbury (born February 20, 1977 in Brooklyn, New York), nicknamed Starbury, is an American professional basketball player for the New York Knicks of the National Basketball Association (NBA).

The 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m), 205 lb (93 kg/14.6 st) point guard/shooting guard was selected out of the Georgia Institute of Technology by the Milwaukee Bucks with the 4th overall pick in the 1996 NBA Draft, but was traded shortly thereafter to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

He was an NBA All-Star in 2001 and 2003 and was voted into the All-NBA Third Team in 2000 and 2003. He is known for his quickness, ball handling, flashy moves and perimeter scoring. He has also played for the Minnesota Timberwolves, New Jersey Nets and Phoenix Suns.

Dez Merge all the topics into here and then were good. Note: Pin it.

 

[elcheato]

if they waive him they have to pay him while he's on another team
they dont want to do that.

Well he isn't even playing for them now, he's getting paid to sit on the bench, so there wont be much of a difference to pay him while he's on another teams bench.

 

[DC4]

Marbury has an official thread now??? lol

 

[The Young One]

Found this nice article on steph

You want to talk about Stephon Marbury’s exile from the Knicks… after not jumping at the opportunity for playing time offered by Mike D’Antoni. Yeah, you want to talk about ”he said-he said”, Marbury’s “unprofessionalism”, that he is — as one ESPN pundit said this week — “the quintessential selfish athlete”. That’s right. You want to talk about his selfishness — not his selflessness. Fine, soon enough. But to truly understand Stephon-the-player, we must first understand Marbury-the-man. Simply put:

Stephon Marbury is an American hero and sports’ greatest humanitarian [1]. And only in America — and its cartoonized world of sports coverage — can he become a villain.

I know, I know. You want to talk about the millions of dollars Marbury is making… how he is a “rich”, “spoiled”, “ungrateful”, “diva”, “me-first” athlete. Yeah, you want to talk about the millions he makes – but not the millions he has given away. That’s right. I want to talk about the $500K that Marbury pledged to Katrina victims, or the $4 million dollars he pledged to New York City police, firefighters, EMS, and teachers. He said:

“…if it saves more lives, I’m down for that. As far as making a difference in that manner, I feel compelled to do that… After 9-11, and all the families that have lost loved ones, it was a big hit to the city and to the world… This is basically about giving back…

if you don’t know what he has given, then you don’t know Stephon Marbury.

You want to talk about the day Marbury went AWOL from the Knicks after former coach Isiah Thomas benched him. Yeah, you want to talk about that day — but not that night. That’s right, I want to talk about that night when Marbury could be found “crying like a baby”. Self-pity? Not quite. Marbury was mourning the death of long-time community mentor Robert Williams — more commonly known as Mr. Lou. Marbury — who once bought Mr. Lou a Cadillac — offered to pay for all of the funeral expenses. All this happened during Marbury’s alleged most selfish hour.

But if you don’t understand what Mr. Lou was all about, then you don’t know Stephon Marbury.

You want to talk about the truck where Marbury famously requested and received consensual sex from a Knick employee. Yeah, you want to talk about “the truck” Mr. Adande — but not “the 18-wheelers”. That’s right, I want to talk about the two 18-wheelers that Marbury rolled into his hometown Coney Island with 75,000 items of free merchandise during “Starbury GiveBack Day”. …Or how Marbury visits youth on the first day of school… or how youth must read three books to play in his charity tournament, or how Marbury’s youth outreach efforts were in full effect both as a member of the Phoenix Suns and the New Jersey Nets before that. After paying an inspiring hospital visit to a 17-year old who just came out of a coma, Stephon said:

“This is where I’m supposed to be… And this is what I’m supposed to do”

But if you don’t know about his unwavering commitment to youth, then you don’t know Stephon Marbury.


Yeah, you just want to talk about the game – but not “the shoes”. But I want to talk about “Starbury One”, the revolutionary $15 sneaker that Dallas Mavericks owner, Mark Cuban, called “the biggest business story of the year.” Despite business growing pains [2], Marbury sowed the seeds of a movement that soon included basketball player Ben Wallace, tennis star Venus Williams, actress Sarah Jessica Parker, and others. All of a sudden newer NBA stars wanted to follow suit. Marbury said:

“The big picture is not having a $200 pair of sneakers when your mother’s income is $15,000. When you walk into a store, you are not being held hostage any more.”

If billionaire corporations like Nike have their way, then you won’t know Stephon Marbury.

ESPN doesn’t want you to know Stephon Marbury either. The man is simply too complex to fit into their “good-vs.-evil-only” sports narratives. Besides, black villains get much higher ratings than black visionaries. When Tony Romo took a homeless man to the movies last month ESPN.com was on the scene, just as it was when Romo helped a man fix a flat tire. ESPN The Magazine soon wondered: “Why is Tony Romo such a Good Samaritan?”, and all of ESPN’s afternoon shows had effusive praise culminating in one “Pardon The Interruption” (PTI) pundit exclaiming: “How can you not love Tony Romo!”

Well, here is one way: Don’t report any of his good deeds! Ignore him like you did Marbury watching the presidential debates in a homeless shelter just a month prior. Ignore his annual charity events; ignore his Katrina response; ignore his record-setting donations, and ignore that a great week in the life of Tony Romo is like breathing to Stephon Marbury. But ESPN did not report ANY of these stories. His revolutionary $15 sneaker? Pardon the Interruption had this headline: “Can Marbury repair his image?” …Well, not if ESPN keeps framing it!

Given their selective, biased, and virtually criminal coverage of his career, you really can’t be blamed if you don’t know Stephon Marbury.

Save for notable exceptions like The New York Posts’ Marc Berman [3] and Knicks website writer Tom Kertes, ESPN’s Marbury treatment has been the general media rule. Only a few blogs are talking about the real Marbury. In this Interview with The Starting Five, hip-hop legend Chuck D says:

“Stephon Marbury… provides affordable gear and went into the Coney Island area and bought up all the barber shops so kids can get free hair cuts. I’ve never heard anything as incredible as that. [He] can walk threw Coney Island and has an aura. People know he’s looked out. Nobody will touch him in the hood.”

While ESPN is writing cover stories on athletes “living scared”, they should let their readers get to know why Stephon Marbury is “living free”. In his childhood, nobody was allowed to touch Marbury either. Once his prodigious basketball talent was recognized, local drug dealers made sure that no one approached or sold to him. Marbury was protected then, and has been giving back protection ever since — with a slight twist. Stephon recognized both the virtue and flaw within that drug dealer code. About his recent million dollar pledges, he said:

“Giving the money to the teachers is important because …[they] are feeding [children] their foundation. When I hear about budget cuts as far as schools, I just don’t understand that. I mean, not when we’re trying to allow our kids to become the leaders of the world! I want to create an environment where all of our schools prepare kids to go to places such as Harvard and Yale.”

If media “understanding” was as popular as “condemning”, we might be told that Marbury’s human weakness are connected — if not inseparable — from his phenomenal strengths. And the crux of that connection is:

LOYALTY.

Stephon was initially loyal to his last three coaches[4]. But despite falsely promising “a clean slate” no coach treated Marbury worse than Mike D’Antoni [5]. Isiah Thomas was loyal at first until a scapegoat was needed. And career nomad Larry Brown has never been loyal to anyone but himself. They were unlike some of the great New York City coaches like Pat Riley, Joe Torre, Bill Parcells, and Jeff Van Gundy who knew the big city coaching code: 1) protect your players; 2) handle all differences in-house, and 3) always keep the NYC media tabloid vultures at bay. But Stephon was undeniably scapegoated by all three [6]. And for his part, the reactive and difficult Marbury wears scapegoatism quite well (see signature over-the-head towel).

A closer inspection of Marbury’s reaction to his coaching feuds brought up a clear pattern. Marbury used words like “trust”, “disrespect”, “personal”, and even “foxhole”. What media often dismissed as merely “petulance” revealed a much deeper emotion: it was betrayal.

Betrayal is the ugly flip-side of loyalty’s coin. Marbury is cut from a different cloth. He is not loyal to a game or a contract, he is loyal to people. While his recent coaches all have their own track-records of Marbury-like stubbornness, none match his virtues. Those probably come from his original coach and mentor: Mr. Lou. Stephon’s brother Don said: “Without Mr. Lou, there is no Stephon.” Don wasn’t just talking about basketball either.

If his recent coaches expected him to be a ”Stepford-athlete”, they didn’t know Stephon Marbury.

Another clue came a few years ago after Larry Brown complained to the press one too many times. Marbury said “enough is enough” and warned us all:

“if something’s going to be said, I’m going to defend myself. My mother taught me that. Somebody hits, you hit them back”

“Mama said knock you out!” She is the same mother who personally cooks for 40 youth after Stephon brings them to his own personal home for a weekend stay-over. Mabel Marbury (and father Don) helped instill a value system and raised Stephon to be a great man first, and a great player second. Those values were recently on display in a most unconventional trash-talking session where Marbury said to his opponent:

“You’re nothing!… You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life.”

Touche! …I think?

Statements like these, eccentric TV interviews, and “war-like” analogies often garner a “crazy” label from his media critics. But in a popular culture that values placing a round ball in a round cylinder over civic responsibility, Marbury may be the sanest of all. He has managed to escape the corporate “conveyor belt” that William C. Rhoden explains in his explains in his brilliant book “$40 Million Dollar Slaves”. And…

if you can’t understand Marbury’s reaction to broken loyalty, then you probably can’t understand his greatness.

“Apples and oranges” you say? If so, how would you know? Did you break down crying in public after watching news footage Hurricane Katrina? While sobbing, Marbury said:

“You see little babies floating in the river. It’s amazing. It’s amazing these people are still just going (on). You complain about the little things. But we’re just so fortunate to breathe and walk knowing all of this is going on.”

Marbury feels pain, empathy, and loyalty in far greater intensity than his athletic peers, coaches, fans, media, and this author. That’s why we can give high-handed lectures on “professionalism”, but he can go out and change the world. But most sports media mocks what they don’t understand. Because if it didn’t, then it would recognize Stephon Marbury as — warts and all –

…the greatest “person-athlete” of our times.

We say “where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?” while forgetting that he was a protected media myth. We say “why aren’t athletes involved in the community?”, but barely report on our greatest sports activist. We say: “what about the kids?” while Stephon is out saving them. He does not share the polish, the easy-going personality, the temperament, or the eloquence of a president-elect Barack Obama, yet he needed no fancy title to lead Obama and the rest of us to a “national call to service”. The fact that he is an imperfect hero in an imperfect package is precisely what makes him the perfect role model. I have the tools to be great like Marbury long before I can be great like Obama.

…And the more I think about it, the more I believe that I know Stephon Marbury.

Marbury is that hard-to-get-along-with friend of mine who I never fully appreciated. But then I remember the time when I got kicked out of college, and was stuck with a $3500 bill if I ever wanted to return. Then I think about a couple of years later when my father passed away. Then I reflect on the time that I went through a divorce. And each time you know what happened – Stephon Marbury showed up… to pay my college bill… to tell me he would “kick my ass” if I didn’t study and graduate… to comfort me in a time of great loss… or just to share his own helpful advice. Yeah, I have been truly fortunate to know Stephon Marbury.

But what about you? Maybe you got locked up, and he kept showing up while your other “friends” suddenly disappeared. Maybe you suffered from addiction, depression, cancer or got sick in the hospital, and he helped pull you through. Or maybe you could no longer pay your rent, mortgage, or telephone bill, and you could only think of one person to call. At your lowest most shameful moment, he appeared without judgment or scorn. Yeah, maybe I was wrong…

maybe you do know Stephon Marbury.

“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle” — George Orwell

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[1] Honorable mention for sports humanitarian heavy-lifters goes out to Derrick Brooks, Steve Nash, Warrick Dunn, Dikembe Mutombo, and Yao Ming. Coincidence or meaningful that most are foreign-born?

[2] Steve and Barry, original Starbury sellers are going out of business. The Starbury brand has now moved to Amazon.com

[3] Most stories of Marbury’s philanthropy were often broken by the New York Post’s Marc Berman or New York Knicks website writer Tom Kertes. Somewhere along the line, Bermanstruck a genuine friendship with Marbury, and often gets exclusives telling Marbury’s side of a story. Other writers and readers charge that Berman is biased in favor of Marbury. But in a relentless anti-Marburymass media narrative, Berman may be the closest thing to fair coverage on Marbury that you will ever find. Unlike say, Ahmad Rashad’sfriendship with Michael Jordan, Berman-Marburyprovides a much needed alternative.

[4] Marbury was one of the only players to show support new coach Mike D’Antoni at his press conference. He considered Isiah Thomas a mentor, and even gave him credit for inspiring taking his philanthropy to a higher level. He also expressed great excitement at Larry Brown’s arrival.

[5] Marbury showed up to the voluntary Las Vegas summer camp; displayed an extremely positive attitude about the new season.; came into training camp in the tip-top shape; and he openly welcomed the role as a “6th man” after a brief hesitation. In turn, D’Antoni publically stated that Marbury had a “clean slate”, and subsequently benched his best point guard without any warning whatsoever. Mike D’Antonirecentlyadmitted that has decisions were influenced by his past relationship with Marbury on the Suns.

[6] Brown often created regular anti-Marbury back page headlines through his frequent complaining to the press. Thomas — perhaps on the direct orders of James Dolan — benched Marbury during the 5th game of the season for playing poor down-the-stretch defense, but Knick matadors Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph, or Eddy Curry seemed to escape notice. See #4 for D’Antoni

http://sportsonmymind.com/2008/12/03/you-d...tephon-marbury/

 

[dez]

I didnt know Marbury as well as I thought.

Loved the article.

 

[The Young One]

Yeah it was a great written article. Steph is a good guy.

 

[.GR]

With Brad Miller considered the most obtainable player on the Kings roster (he makes $11.3M this season and $12.2M next season), it would be reasonable to believe that Petrie might be trying to move Miller and Thomas as a package. Just a thought, but wouldn't it make sense for both teams if Sacramento were to trade Miller and Thomas to New York for Stephon Marbury? The Knicks would address their big man deficiency, would not be taking on any salary past 2010, and would be providing the Kings with $21 million of salary cap space for this summer. ESPN.com

I think that would be a great deal for both teams.
The Knicks get rid of Marbury, and get a nice post in Miller without taking on any salary past '10.
We would get some really nice cap flexibility for this coming summer and the next and we get rid of K9 finally. And Marbury would be able to showcase his skills for next offseason.

 

[.s31t]

Agreed.
I actually hope that it goes through.
Finally gives Sac-Town a big name other than KMart2

 

[.GR]

The other explanation mentioned often at the D-League Showcase, among Walsh's fellow executives in the stands at Utah Valley University, is that Walsh would prefer to hang on to Marbury's expiring contract through the Feb. 19 trading deadline. Just in case the Houston Rockets decide they want to disassemble their nucleus by offering up Tracy McGrady (whose contract expires in 2010) … or the Sacramento Kings say they're willing to part with Brad Miller (and Kenny Thomas to help make the salary-cap math work) … or the Miami Heat unexpectedly consent to part with Shawn Marion.

 

[dez]

Really no reason to trade him now, let the year pass.