Rank Your Teams Starters On A Scale Of 1-10

[footballplaya52]

I'm actually offended romo is on there

 

[Teagz]

Romo is better than Foles. He gets ragged on but he's not nearly as bad as his reputation suggests.

 

[TTN2810]

The title of the thread is "Rank Your Team's Starters" and as a starter Foles is average therefore he's a 5. He overachieved tremendously last year because of Kelly's system, which would make just about any QB look good. I'd be willing to bet if you substitued Mark Sanchez in on last year's Eagles team the results aren't that different.

So what happened when Vick was in then?

 

[Teagz]

He wasn't horrible. He's just not a good QB.

 

[Oiler35]

Indianapolis:
 
QB: 8, potential to be a 9.
RB: 6
FB: lol fullback rankings.
TE: 7, with the potential to be much higher with a healthy Dwayne Allen, and a more consistent Coby Fleener.
WR: 7.5, potential to be an 8 or 9.
OL: 6. 
 
DE: 6
DT: 5
LOLB: 4
LILB: 6
RILB: 6
ROLB: 9
CB: 6.5
FS: 3
SS: 4
 
K: 8
P: 9 #Boomstick.

 

[TTN2810]

Nick Foles 2013 red zone (25yd-GL) passing stats are as follows: 46/70, 65.7%, 353 yards, 21 TD, 0 INT

 
The thing with Foles is he takes care of the football. Sure their system is QB friendly, but the system doesn't make QB's immune from turnovers. That is where Foles shows how good he is. 0 redzone INT's. That's huge. The big stats are nice, but this little one is what important.
 
If he can keep up that kind of mistake free football, it's insane to all him average. Some folks just always seem to think the grass can be greener.

 

[Mobruler]

The problem with Foles is the short sample size and the probability of being a product of a great system.  I agree with Teagz list and he probably could have kept going based on bodies of work from others.  The NFL has an abundance of above average QBs right now.

 

[footballplaya52]

im fully behind foles. about time we had a consistent QB.

 

[TTN2810]

The problem with Foles is the short sample size and the probability of being a product of a great system.  I agree with Teagz list and he probably could have kept going based on bodies of work from others.  The NFL has an abundance of above average QBs right now.

Product of a great system? The point is to fill the role of your system as perfet as possible, and Foles has done that. Richard Sherman does the same thing. If he was in a different system, he isn't the same player. But he does his job within his system perfectly and is the best in the game because of it. Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn is another example. Flynn has sucked in every other scheme he's been in, but lights it up with GB. It's easy to see it's a QB friendly offense, but no one docks Rodgers for that.
 
Bodies of work has nothing to do with it. If this were the case Marques Colston is better than Josh Gordon because he's been good for a consistently long time. That's not how it works. At this point in time, going into this season, Gordon is arguably the second best WR in the NFL. It doesn't matter how long/short he's dominated. He's one of the best at what he does.
 
And yes, the NFL does have a large number of good QB's, but that doesn't mean you should fault the QB's themselves for this. If a university class all get A's on a very hard test, that doesn't make them all average students. They are still great students, who happen to be in the same class, at the same time. The same goes for QB's right now. Just because there is a lot of good ones doesn't make them average QB's. It's just a spike in QB talent. Theoretically, if every QB in the league was Peyton Manning, that doesn't make every QB a 5. Sure, Manning is every QB, so he's the average QB. But that doesn't mean he's a 5. It makes every QB a 10.
 
Same goes for NFL QB's right now. There's a gosh darn lot of them at 7 or >.

 

[Mobruler]

Product of a great system? The point is to fill the role of your system as perfet as possible, and Foles has done that. Richard Sherman does the same thing. If he was in a different system, he isn't the same player. But he does his job within his system perfectly and is the best in the game because of it. Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn is another example. Flynn has sucked in every other scheme he's been in, but lights it up with GB. It's easy to see it's a QB friendly offense, but no one docks Rodgers for that.
 
Bodies of work has nothing to do with it. If this were the case Marques Colston is better than Josh Gordon because he's been good for a consistently long time. That's not how it works. At this point in time, going into this season, Gordon is arguably the second best WR in the NFL. It doesn't matter how long/short he's dominated. He's one of the best at what he does.
 
And yes, the NFL does have a large number of good QB's, but that doesn't mean you should fault the QB's themselves for this. If a university class all get A's on a very hard test, that doesn't make them all average students. They are still great students, who happen to be in the same class, at the same time. The same goes for QB's right now. Just because there is a lot of good ones doesn't make them average QB's. It's just a spike in QB talent. Theoretically, if every QB in the league was Peyton Manning, that doesn't make every QB a 5. Sure, Manning is every QB, so he's the average QB. But that doesn't mean he's a 5. It makes every QB a 10.
 
Same goes for NFL QB's right now. There's a gosh darn lot of them at 7 or >.

 
You're taking my point to extremes.  My point was that it's understandable why people are still unsure of what to make of Foles with his small sample size and his opportunity to work in Chip's system.  Others want to extrapolate his 2013 numbers and may be in for disappointment when Foles doesn't go for 40 with 8 this season.

 

[TTN2810]

I'm not saying he goes 40/8 this year at all either. I'm just saying, why doubt the guy when he has given you no reason to? He had the best TD/INT ratio ever for a season. Regardless of system that's impressive, and shouldn't be taken away from him. Desision making and accuracy are the two biggest things for a QB and he has both.
 
I don't get the hate. He isn't the most physically talented guy ever, but who cares.

 

[Mobruler]

There's no hate, by why should someone expect him right now to be a better guy than a 10-15 guy like Cutler, Flacco or Romo?

 

[TTN2810]

Because he just had a season that was much better than any season any of them have ever had..
 
Aside from Romo. I like Romo too.

 

[Teagz]

That 27/2 ratio was a lot of pure luck. I can't even remember how many times he threw a ball to a covered receiver and it just fell incomplete or a defender dropped an INT. We could easily be looking at 27/7 or 27/9 right now, he was just really lucky last season.

 

[TTN2810]

You have to be good to be lucky, and almosts dont count. Still, 27 to 7 is still damn good.
 
Like I said I don't expect him to match last seasons numbers, anyways. Like all young QB's he will have ups and downs. He won't be perfect. But that doesn't mean he isn't a good QB.