NBA Playoffs 2012 Discussion Thread

[Yankees2772]

He won a title and got the team to another? That's not good enough considering that they were a laughingstock for the previous 10 years?

 

[bosoxlover12]

He won a title and got the team to another? That's not good enough considering that they were a laughingstock for the previous 10 years?

We will be a laughing stock for the next 10 if we dont get proactive.

Pugz brings up a great point about the Dumars/Pistons situation. They suck right now. They were so good for a good long time, but their downfall was not trading the value guys (Rip, Prince, etc) for youthful trade value. They traded for AI as a last-move to win it all. That failed. They fell into complete failure, because they had no pieces of trade value anymore because they weremt winning.

We need to know that due to how good the Thunder, Bulls, & Heat are, we don't have a realistic shot of winning a title. So why keep on trying and having our players lose trade value? Makes no sense

 

[Pugz]

bosox is right. i completely agree with him i just dont agree with trading rondo but he's right.

 

[ZigZag]

We will be a laughing stock for the next 10 if we dont get proactive.

Pugz brings up a great point about the Dumars/Pistons situation. They suck right now. They were so good for a good long time, but their downfall was not trading the value guys (Rip, Prince, etc) for youthful trade value. They traded for AI as a last-move to win it all. That failed. They fell into complete failure, because they had no pieces of trade value anymore because they weremt winning.

We need to know that due to how good the Thunder, Bulls, & Heat are, we don't have a realistic shot of winning a title. So why keep on trying and having our players lose trade value? Makes no sense

Rondo isn't good, young talent? The dude is only 26 ffs. You don't just get rid of one of the best pure PGs in the game for a hit-or-miss prospect or draft pick unless he demands a trade.

 

[Elite]

he made those trades because Pierce said he wanted new players or to be traded himself. He was on the hotseat, and made 2 good trades.

What else has he done thats good?

Let's take a trip down memory lane shall we.

He made draft day trades to steal...

Rondo at the 21st pick
Perk at the 27th pick
Al-Jeff at the 15th pick

He's also drafted quality role players in Delonte West and Tony Allen with the 24th and 25th picks in the same draft with Al-Jeff.

Those are all guys who he drafted in his tenure that were either key contributors to a team that won a championship or were traded for key contributors to a championship team.

Recently drafted Avery Bradley with the 19th pick who is looking like he could turn into a steal as well.


He also hired Doc Rivers.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

he made those trades because Pierce said he wanted new players or to be traded himself. He was on the hotseat, and made 2 good trades.

What else has he done thats good?

Kept them together when everyone was saying it was time to break them up for three years now.

 

[elcheato]

It was time to break them up a while ago simply because their value is dropping every year they get older, not to mention they're all about to be free agents.

 

[Pugz]

id let them all walk and try to trade pierce or cut him, then build with rondo.

 

[BwareDWare94]

Here's my two cents on trading Rondo.

I'd do it. I really would. He's only as good as his supporting cast, and his supporting cast has gotten visibly worse since the laughable Kendrick Perkins trade. Until he develops a jump shot, he will not be a good point guard on a bad team. Not consistently. He'll have his games, but that's all. He can't work with nothing, and that's obvious as hell. He's incredibly lazy on the court, has extreme character issues (two suspensions for touching officials in a season? Headcase, y'all), and is incredibly useless once every few games.

Trade him while people still think he's great. The Rondo/Westbrook trade would be a steal for both teams. One would get the consistent scorer they need, the other would get a PG who can actually set their shooters like Durant and Harden up for open jumpshots and can move away from consistent iso.

 

[bosoxlover12]

If Danny Ainge could pull off a Rondo for Westbrook trade, I would take back anything bad I've ever said about him.

That is one of the most lobsided trades I've seen, maybe even more than the Gasol trade because Westbrook's value is so much higher than Pau's ever was.

 

[elcheato]

Here's my two cents on trading Rondo.

I'd do it. I really would. He's only as good as his supporting cast, and his supporting cast has gotten visibly worse since the laughable Kendrick Perkins trade. Until he develops a jump shot, he will not be a good point guard on a bad team. Not consistently. He'll have his games, but that's all. He can't work with nothing, and that's obvious as hell. He's incredibly lazy on the court, has extreme character issues (two suspensions for touching officials in a season? Headcase, y'all), and is incredibly useless once every few games.

Trade him while people still think he's great. The Rondo/Westbrook trade would be a steal for both teams. One would get the consistent scorer they need, the other would get a PG who can actually set their shooters like Durant and Harden up for open jumpshots and can move away from consistent iso.

Kendrick Perkins is an awful player, the fact that they don't have to pay him that ridiculous contract the Thunder gave him makes the Celtics the winner of that trade, even without getting anything back.

 

[Pugz]

i think we can all stop talking about how rondo needs to work on and better his shot. its not going to get much better.

 

[bosoxlover12]

Kendrick Perkins is an awful player, the fact that they don't have to pay him that ridiculous contract the Thunder gave him makes the Celtics the winner of that trade, even without getting anything back.

We got Jeff Green out of that trade.


I take it back, that was a great move by Danny Ainge as well. Still not much to cheer about.

 

[Pugz]

how much did jeff green help your team?..

 

[CameronCrazy06]

It was time to break them up a while ago simply because their value is dropping every year they get older, not to mention they're all about to be free agents.

I would get your logic if the Celtics were mediocre and not contending for titles but here they sit in the Eastern Conference Finals...

 

[CameronCrazy06]

how much did jeff green help your team?..

My sources tell me Jeff Green is going to sign back with the Celtics once he is re-cleared to play, but I hear the Wizards could also come into play.

 

[Pugz]

My sources tell me Jeff Green is going to sign back with the Celtics once he is re-cleared to play, but I hear the Wizards could also come into play.

that doesnt change the fact i wont ever see him as a full-time starter. hes better suited off the bench for scoring from the 3/4.

 

[elcheato]

I would get your logic if the Celtics were mediocre and not contending for titles but here they sit in the Eastern Conference Finals...

They're in the ECF but they're not actually legit title contenders, which sounds funny for a team just one series away from making it, but it's the truth. Being stubborn and getting nothing in return for the former Big 3 could cost the Celtics deeply in the future just because they wanted to lose in the ECF a few more years.

 

[bosoxlover12]

He hasnt done much yet, but he'll be a solid SF replacement for Pierce if he re-signs and stays healthy

 

[CameronCrazy06]

They're in the ECF but they're not actually legit title contenders, which sounds funny for a team just one series away from making it, but it's the truth. Being stubborn and getting nothing in return for the former Big 3 could cost the Celtics deeply in the future just because they wanted to lose in the ECF a few more years.

Why aren't the Celtics title contenders? They have a 1/4 shot...