My Take On The Incognito Situation

Donkey

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First of all, Johnathon Martin IS indeed soft, how can you not stand up for yourself, you had a couple inches on the guy, you were around the same weight, and younger, why are you letting him pick on you. Fight him in the locker room, the players will break it up, and the message will be sent, done and done with. Really, I don't believe he'll get on another NFL team because of this, he is the definition of "soft" and doesn't belong in the NFL is that's his attitude. He'd need some serious counseling to get him back in.

Secondly though, Richie Incognito deserves a whole lot of blame himself. Sure rookie hazing is pretty normal, it happens a lot, but as a joke, not as flat out bullying. Incognito came off racist, and very violent in his voice-mail to Martin, which was clear to everyone. There's no way to know for sure if he is a real racist or not, but it seems like he was just targeting Martin, so I'd lean on him not being racist. Seriously though this guy has some problems, thinking this is all okay, but this isn't his first issue. I don't see Incognito making an NFL team this year, maybe someone will take him next year like the Jets, someone who'd like all the publicity.

Thirdly, and finally I think the majority of the blame needs to fall in the coaching staff and players for letting this reach the levels that it did. You have players like Tannehill, your quarterback, your team leader, coming out and saying they were best friends two weeks ago? The hazing has been going on since his rookie season, how is that even possible. Is Tannehill that blind to the situation, or is there something else inside the organization that we don't know about yet. Both Cameron Wake and Mike Wallace too need to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Incognito like that, it makes no sense at a time like this to come out supporting Incognito. Seriously they must have been either bullies themselves in all of this or again just that blind to the situation. The real blame falls in the coaching staff though, who reportedly was urging Incognito to toughen up Martin? Is this for real? This could actually brought to federal court, for an unsafe workplace where the coaches are encouraging a player be beaten on. I doubt they meant for Incognito to flat out bully the guy, but if your telling a guy like Incognito to toughen someone up, you better be monitoring the situation closely, which clearly didn't happen. We're going to see a lot of coaches being fined, suspended, and fired in the days following this.

Bottom line is everyone involved is at fault including Martin, and if action is taken against any of them, don't expect to see any of them back in the NFL anytime soon.

Remember guys this is my opinion, you can agree with it, or you can disagree with it, I personally don't care what you guys think, I'll continue to support my side of this unless any new evidence comes out that would make me change my position.
 
 

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Nice read +1
 
 
Wonder what this does to Tannehill, guy needs to be a leader in that locker room
 

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You might be overlooking one thing. We do not know what Richie Incognito is capable of. I have a feeling that Jonathan Martin may have feared for his life, even if that's been kept hushed up. 
 

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On the other hand...we only heard about this Incognito stuff when the NFLPA got involved. I haven't seen a single released statement from Johnathan Martin, on the issue, so where is this stuff coming from?
 

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If you can't take harassment from another person, to the point that you have to leave the team, how can you play offensive tackle? It's not like if it's a center, where if you get pushed over, your guard has a chance to chip him before he gets to the QB. Once an OT gets beat, it's a beeline to the QB sack. If he is on Watt, and JJ knocks him over, will he have the mental composure to get back up and block him next time? I agree with Donkey, he is too soft to play starting OL
 

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Martin a punk.. plain an simple. He smiled and ACTED like none of it bothered him, figured he'd just be-friend the "bully"...then he loses his job and see's an opportunity to get away from the Dolphins all together..
 
Alot of what Richie did was wrong and out of line.. but dont no grown ass man let another do/say some of the things thats being reported..
 
and that last post by GMF, is probably the cause of all this
 

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Lmao what a bitch.....he shouldn't even be in the league. He brought the whole team down
 

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And I thought the Bucs had problems
 
Martin doesn't want to play anymore and is looking for a way out that doesn't feel like quitting.  Those who've played football know and understand locker room humor which can cross many lines to include race, religion, and sexual preference.  Maybe Martin got tired of the jokes, maybe they went too far.  EIther way, I refuse to view this as "bullying."  Its not that I don't believe grown men can be bullied, (size doesn't matter nearly as much as personality does when it comes to bullying), but rather the manner in which the rest of the team has reacted to Martin's accusations.  If Incognito was really that kinda guy, then its safe to assume few would be speaking out in his favor.  
 

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after Jay Glazer interviewed Incognito he had a stack of papers that contained over 1100 texts between the two over the last year (which also proves these guys communicated way too much) and he pretty much summarized them by saying that both of these guys jokingly used that kind of humor. So I don't think he got "tired" of the jokes or thought they went too far because he was using the same humor for over a year. 
 
But I absolutely agree with what you said, there was no bullying going on here and some of these media outlets should be ashamed of themselves for going after Incognito as quickly as they did without getting more information on their relationship. 
 

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I get why the media pounced all over this story and blew it up.  Seems "bullying" is this year's popular subject in this new, ultra-sensitive 'Merica we live in. 
 

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wilmyers said:
I get why the media pounced all over this story and blew it up.  Seems "bullying" is this year's popular subject in this new, ultra-sensitive 'Merica we live in. 
 
Bullying is serious doe. I don't think it has anything to do with being sensitive ... it's a serious issue and I like the awareness. I used to not really give a fuck, but after watching that documentary 'Bully', it opened my eyes to how serious that shit is. Changed the way I treat people to this day. It's fucking sad seeing people get tormented like that.
 

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Suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the US. This has nothing to do with living in an ultra sensitive America
 

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steezo said:
 
Bullying is serious doe. I don't think it has anything to do with being sensitive ... it's a serious issue and I like the awareness. I used to not really give a fuck, but after watching that documentary 'Bully', it opened my eyes to how serious that shit is. Changed the way I treat people to this day. It's fucking sad seeing people get tormented like that.
Bullying has been a part of every culture for thousands of years.  Most of us grew up and bullying was just a part of being an adolescent.  The difference between then and now is technology and the obsession people have with being on the damn computer.  People spend so much time being somebody else on the computer that they lose touch with reality.  I'm not all that old but "back in my day," kids didn't commit suicide b/c they were bullied.  
 

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wilmyers said:
Bullying has been a part of every culture for thousands of years.  Most of us grew up and bullying was just a part of being an adolescent.  The difference between then and now is technology and the obsession people have with being on the damn computer.  People spend so much time being somebody else on the computer that they lose touch with reality.  I'm not all that old but "back in my day," kids didn't commit suicide b/c they were bullied.  
 
Okay, I'm curious.. how old are you? 
 

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wilmyers said:
 
Meh, I'm 23 and know a few kids that committed suicide because they were bullied. Hard to believe that there is that big of a gap between our generations 
 

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