Deflategate: Brady suspended 4 games, Pats lose 1st and 4th rounders

[jonathanlambert33]

Brady also was not fully cooperative during the investigation, reportedly.

 

[elcheato]

He wouldn't turn in his phone, but I don't blame him, because I assume this was all a scheme set by Ted Wells to get a hold of scandalous Gisele photos. 

 

[Pugz]

He wouldn't turn in his phone, but I don't blame him, because I assume this was all a scheme set by Ted Wells to get a hold of scandalous Gisele photos. 

and who can blame wells? id want those photos too

 

[Giantmetfan07]

You and me both. 

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Just curious, on a scale from 1 to 10 how big of a deal do y'all think this is?

 

[bosoxlover12]

Just curious, on a scale from 1 to 10 how big of a deal do y'all think this is?

From what is publically known? 1-2.
 
From what is assumed? Probably 4-5.
 
From what the overreactional suspension of Brady will be? 7-8.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Bias aside?

 

[bosoxlover12]

How is that not bias aside?
 
 
A 10 is a suspension of longer than a season
 
 
 
From what we currently know in the case, there is nothing to punish the Patriots from. That's not as a Patriots fan, that's of someone who understands a legal system. You can't really suspend someone with assumptions as your main point of evidence.
 
 
If Brady was to be found to be involved (which has yet to occur), a 6 game suspension would probably incur. That's about a 5 on a 1-10 scale
 
 
 
 
But when I'm hearing that Brady might get 10+ games, with no additional reasoning, because of a precedent that doesn't exist, that's about a 7.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Let me ask you this, do you think Brady did these things?

 

[jonathanlambert33]

So after doing some research, "more probable than not" literally means in legal terms, "we have more than enough evidence to indicate that Brady was aware of these acts." Kind of funky but that's what it means. To me, this is a huge deal.

 

[Pugz]

where is our resident lawyer to break down how this should be handled?!

 

[jonathanlambert33]

It's pretty cut and dry once you understand the wording

 

[bosoxlover12]

Let me ask you this, do you think Brady did these things?

i think he asked for the balls to be a certain weight which would started as a legal limit but he knew could fall underneath the limit potentially

It was not a focus of "how can I cheat the league", but rather as "what's the lightest weight I can go to make me throw the best I can"

Still at fault, but not for the intention of cheating

 

[Pugz]

if you know the limit but you want it as close to that as you can get, and it may even be below a little, you knowingly cheated..

 

[jonathanlambert33]

i think he asked for the balls to be a certain weight which would started as a legal limit but he knew could fall underneath the limit potentially

It was not a focus of "how can I cheat the league", but rather as "what's the lightest weight I can go to make me throw the best I can"

Still at fault, but not for the intention of cheating

Don't you think after multiple games of this taking place Brady would have realized that the balls he was using are going below the legal limit and he is now breaking the rules, ala cheating?

 

[NV]

The only defense I have for Brady is that it appears, at least among current and former NFL players, that this isn't even a big deal.
 
The concept of cheating the system is awful and should be frowned upon yes but as for what they actually "did" with the footballs haven't teams and Quarterbacks done this for years?

 

[bosoxlover12]

Don't you think after multiple games of this taking place Brady would have realized that the balls he was using are going below the legal limit and he is now breaking the rules, ala cheating?

They weren't. IDK if you actually watched the Pats/Colts game, or just looked at highlights/the box score, but a game with heavy rain in January in Massachusetts... its pretty damn cold. The weather absolutely affected the balls (indicated in the report that both the Pats AND Colts balls deflated some due to the weather)
 
He could have set the balls at 12.5 for both the Ravens game and the Colts game, and because of the weather, one is good and one is not.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

I don't buy that explanation. Every game ball is inflated to 13 psi by NFL officials prior to the game. Now the Colts and the other opponents played in identical conditions to the Patriots, so how do you explain that EVERY Patriots ball weighed in below the minimum while every opponent ball weighed in above the minimum psi.

The NFL brought in consultants and they studied a number of different things. From the balls, to the weather, to the pressure measurements of the balls. Those consultants found that yes weather does play a factor in the balls being slightly deflated (like you said) but the degree the Pats balls were deflated (there balls were deflated around 1 psi more than Colts balls) CANT be explained due to the conditions. They could not replicate the loss of pressure to the Pats balls in tests they did.

 

[footballplaya52]

I feel like the advantage of 1psi is negligible. I'm the first to say fuck the patriots but I never did and still don't expect them to be disciplined much.

 

[bosoxlover12]

I don't buy that explanation. Every game ball is inflated to 13 psi by NFL officials prior to the game. Now the Colts and the other opponents played in identical conditions to the Patriots, so how do you explain that EVERY Patriots ball weighed in below the minimum while every opponent ball weighed in above the minimum psi.

The NFL brought in consultants and they studied a number of different things. From the balls, to the weather, to the pressure measurements of the balls. Those consultants found that yes weather does play a factor in the balls being slightly deflated (like you said) but the degree the Pats balls were deflated (there balls were deflated around 1 psi more than Colts balls) CANT be explained due to the conditions. They could not replicate the loss of pressure to the Pats balls in tests they did.

I don't understand how many times I can fucking tell you this in the thread until you goddamn understand it.


The Patriots deflated the balls. Everybody knows that -- that isn't what is in question. You are legally allowed to inflate the ball from that 13psi, as long as it is inflated/deflated within the legal limits. The Patriots deflated it to a LEGAL 12.5 psi. The Colts either left theirs alone, or slightly re-inflated them more to slightly over 13psi, because that's Luck's preference.

If you actually paid attention, the Colts' PSI was below 13 as well, but we're at like 12.6 not 11.9 like New England's.


Nobody at all is arguing that there was no deflation at all. If they are, they are just being stupid. It's the amount deflated at is what's into question. And I'm very confident still that pre-game, the balls were inflated to ~12.5psi, or at least by Brady asked to be at that. There is very little from this report that says otherwise, and if you think there is, point out a specific fucking point in the 243 page document. Because there isn't any. And that's why suspending Brady is fucking stupid as hell