Bryzzo - Pick One

[JZsportswhiz]

You get to pick one player for the next 5 years, who do you pick?

 

[brett05]

This is a pretty bad question.  Clearly the choice for future value here is Bryant. 
 
Now make this a question on who should be the MVP for 2016 and you have a much better question.
 
On the surface it would appear Bryant is that answer as well.  However when you dig deeper into the numbers a different story is told.
 
Bryant has struggled against playoff teams.  He's something like 150 OPS behind Rizzo when it comes to that. 
Bryant piled up a good portion of his numbers against some out right awful teams (Reds, Brewers, etc). 
Bryant plays multiple positions but all are at best slightly below average.
 
The MVP choice right now is Rizzo.

 

[Mexi]

Numbers vs .500 teams is such a reach man

It's a regular season award lol

If rizzo is good vs the good teams, he'll win nlcs mvp or world series mvp

I do feel bryant is overrated a little and the cubs are playing him at multiple positions for no reasons but to bump up his war. Literally no other team would start him at 6 positions when they have zobrist on the roster lol or can throw javy baez at 2nd or short

 

[JZsportswhiz]

I agree with the first half of your post. I'm not sure if you're serious, but I think it's a bit silly to suggest the Cubs are simply using Bryant's versatility as a way to increase a meaningless stat. The Cubs have fielded one of the best defenses in MLB history this season, and a reason for that is the versatility of Bryant.

 

[brett05]

Numbers vs .500 teams is such a reach man

It's a regular season award lol

If rizzo is good vs the good teams, he'll win nlcs mvp or world series mvp

I do feel bryant is overrated a little and the cubs are playing him at multiple positions for no reasons but to bump up his war. Literally no other team would start him at 6 positions when they have zobrist on the roster lol or can throw javy baez at 2nd or short

You are super ignorant if you think teams care about increasing a player's WAR value.
 
The play against 500 teams matters a lot.  It's better talent and the better you play against said talent more than likely means you yourself are a great player.

 

[brett05]

I agree with the first half of your post. I'm not sure if you're serious, but I think it's a bit silly to suggest the Cubs are simply using Bryant's versatility as a way to increase a meaningless stat. The Cubs have fielded one of the best defenses in MLB history this season, and a reason for that is the versatility of Bryant.

No they haven't.  Put the Kool-Aid down.
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2016&month=0&season1=1871&ind=1&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

[JZsportswhiz]

Well they're far and away better than the rest of baseball and by the one stat you posted, they rank 27th in MLB history.

 

[brett05]

Well they're far and away better than the rest of baseball and by the one stat you posted, they rank 27th in MLB history.

That is true, but when you see they are closer to 180 than 1 and that the link only covers 450 teams as the data isn't there outside of recent times....but hey, let's not take that into consideration.

 

[JZsportswhiz]

Yeah all the MLB writers that have written about their defense must not know as much as you
 
Let's forget the fact that they are almost 5x better than the 4th best defense in terms of defensive efficiency, 3x as good as the 3rd, and 2x better than the 2nd
 
More than twice as many defensive runs saved than the 4th best team. If you haven't noticed, the game has changed. The last 450 teams is a pretty fair sample size considering defensive shifts and the switch towards a sabermetric viewpoint. Safe to say defense is at a all-time high in MLB. To be that much better than anybody else is nothing short of remarkable. Especially when you consider all the moving parts Maddon uses

 

[JZsportswhiz]

You are super ignorant if you think teams care about increasing a player's WAR value.
 
The play against 500 teams matters a lot.  It's better talent and the better you play against said talent more than likely means you yourself are a great player.

Because no team below .500 has good pitchers. It's funny how condescending you are towards the Cubs, just join the ride. The Sox have a long journey ahead of them, mine as well enjoy some good baseball over the next 4 years, trust me I understand your animosity

 

[brett05]

Yeah all the MLB writers that have written about their defense must not know as much as you
 
Let's forget the fact that they are almost 5x better than the 4th best defense in terms of defensive efficiency, 3x as good as the 3rd, and 2x better than the 2nd
 
More than twice as many defensive runs saved than the 4th best team. If you haven't noticed, the game has changed. The last 450 teams is a pretty fair sample size considering defensive shifts and the switch towards a sabermetric viewpoint. Safe to say defense is at a all-time high in MLB. To be that much better than anybody else is nothing short of remarkable. Especially when you consider all the moving parts Maddon uses

1)  They are not #1 in 2016 let alone ever.
2)  It's not safe to assume that D is better now.  Conditions are certainly better
3)  The 3rd and 4th 4th best Defense belongs to the Indians and Giants for which the Cubs are Roughly 50% better. 
 
That's the facts.
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

[brett05]

Because no team below .500 has good pitchers. It's funny how condescending you are towards the Cubs, just join the ride. The Sox have a long journey ahead of them, mine as well enjoy some good baseball over the next 4 years, trust me I understand your animosity

Just because I hate the Cubs doesn't mean I can't be fair and balanced.  I am a baseball fan first and foremost.
Teams under .500 have good pitchers.  Take Sale and Q who are top 10 pitchers in all of baseball.  But generally speaking under 500 teams have very poor talent.

 

[bosoxlover12]

1)  They are not #1 in 2016 let alone ever.
2)  It's not safe to assume that D is better now.  Conditions are certainly better
3)  The 3rd and 4th 4th best Defense belongs to the Indians and Giants for which the Cubs are Roughly 50% better. 
 
That's the facts.
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

I would say their rPM speaks for itself that they are an elite defense

 

[brett05]

I would say their rPM speaks for itself that they are an elite defense

Link?

 

[bosoxlover12]

Literally the one you posted smh

 

[catman]

To get back to the topic at hand, I pick Rizzo over Bryant.  Bryant is likely more talented, but Rizzo is the glue that holds the team together.  He will not back down in any situation.  He is the one I would rather have at bat with the game on the line in the bottom of the 9th. 

 

[brett05]

To get back to the topic at hand, I pick Rizzo over Bryant.  Bryant is likely more talented, but Rizzo is the glue that holds the team together.  He will not back down in any situation.  He is the one I would rather have at bat with the game on the line in the bottom of the 9th. 

No doubt about it

 

[JZsportswhiz]

Rizzo is definitely the leader of the team. Ever since he challenged Chapman in Cincinnati he has been the heart and soul of the team. They have a lot of leaders like that though, Ross and Lester are probably the other 2 biggies. 
 
I think Russell is on his way as well. Best glove in baseball, and should get 100 RBIs as a SS
 
I could easily make a great argument for both of these guys, they will both likely win MVP awards in the near future (If not multiple). 

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Best glove in baseball.... What? Does machado not exist anymore?

 

[JZsportswhiz]

Best glove in baseball.... What? Does machado not exist anymore?

Machado? Russell has 11 more runs saved, Macahdo is 23rd in MLB. A few web gems doesn't make you the best