Thats your hindsight bias speaking right now. I just looked back, and pre-2012 NFL Draft you compared Russell Wilson to Seneca Wallace and Troy Smith. You said he'd be a Round 5-6 guy for you. Now that he's a Super Bowl winning QB, he's probably a Top 12 QB in the NFL.elcheato said:Flaws are easier to justify and work with when you have ideal size. With Manziel there are questions on his arm strength, pocket presence, play style, footwork, tendency to throw off balance, etc.., to go with his size. It's not a good look. Can't look at him like a Drew Brees or Russell Wilson considering they're pure passers, and are the outliers, not the rule.
Could he slip in there somewhere? Sure, but I think his stock is going to fall.
Dennard has the highest floor of all the corners, but Gilbert has that Patrick Peterson potential to him. He's really fast, so he wont get burned often. He fits the Lions' non-press DB scheme, and he has the ability to shut down a WR. I personally think of Gilbert as the #3 CB in this draft, but in terms of fitting scheme, he fits so well. Also adds a lot of ST valueMobruler said:
I don't know what philosophy Oklahoma State played on defense, but Michigan State played quarters on pretty much every down. Dennard got much less safety help than a corner usually would because the safeties were strictly assigned to their own specific portions of the field. Even with Dennard playing 1 vs. 1 much more than a corner usually would, he was still arguably the best corner in the country.
In my mind, this would make a corner much more attractive than a little bit of size or a 40 time would.
Mobruler said:I'll trade Matt Stafford right now for the pick that drafts Manziel. Show me where I sign.
bosoxlover12 said:Dennard has the highest floor of all the corners, but Gilbert has that Patrick Peterson potential to him. He's really fast, so he wont get burned often. He fits the Lions' non-press DB scheme, and he has the ability to shut down a WR. I personally think of Gilbert as the #3 CB in this draft, but in terms of fitting scheme, he fits so well. Also adds a lot of ST value
People just automatically assume small QB's have a weak arm. It's ridiculous. The whole short QB's can't play is a thing of the past. It's doesn't matter. Sure there are only 2, but they have proven they can still be damn good. There's a crap load of 6'4 QB's who suck because they can't play QB. That's what it comes down to. Can you play QB, and the answer, IMO, is yes. He's not Mike Vick, but he's the closest player since, his elusiveness is almost Vick, and is much stronger a mental passer, even at this point in Vick's career, which really is sad.elcheato said:Again, I said their were questions on his arm strength, even if it is a myth, it's talked about. When you're his size, you need passing ability and attributes that separates you from the pack. He's not Michael Vick, he doesn't have his elite speed. He doesn't have elite arm strength, he doesn't have elite accuracy. He's got decent to good arm strength, he's got good accuracy. But it doesn't separate him.
People can talk all they want about size not mattering, but there are only 2 starting QBs in the NFL listed at 6 feet or under. It's a hindrance, and it will hurt his draft stock, if it hasn't already.
elcheato said:Again, I said their were questions on his arm strength, even if it is a myth, it's talked about. When you're his size, you need passing ability and attributes that separates you from the pack. He's not Michael Vick, he doesn't have his elite speed. He doesn't have elite arm strength, he doesn't have elite accuracy. He's got decent to good arm strength, he's got good accuracy. But it doesn't separate him.
People can talk all they want about size not mattering, but there are only 2 starting QBs in the NFL listed at 6 feet or under. It's a hindrance, and it will hurt his draft stock, if it hasn't already.
bosoxlover12 said:
I mean, Houston would do that in about 2 seconds...
Fine, if none of y'all are gonna do it I will.Bengals1fan said:I'm not sold on Dennard. What I saw in looking through his film was that he's fairly slow and more of a physical corner. Which is fine, but he could get burnt easily by a quicker reciever. I personally like Gilbert better in the fact that he's a little taller and quicker. Because physicality is something that isn't vital to success, while speed/heighth are in todays league.