All Encompassing Trade Rumours Thread

[PWNdroia]

He can pitch in the bullpen as a long man or spot start here in there in case of injuries. He's a shell of his former self obviously but he's an okay depth guy.

In my opinion, Liriano is an NL pitcher anmd has been for most of his career.  Great for any NL team, but not so great in the AL.  Normally I don't like to look at a pitcher as good in one league, not so good in the other, but it's pretty evident by his stats throughout his career.  He has shown signs of brilliance, but not consistently, and mostly when he pitched in the NL.
 
He had some success in the AL Central in the past as well, but that's also nothing like pitching in the AL East.  In other words, there's only 4 to 5 seasons where he's actually been really good, 3 of which were consecutive seasons in the NL.

 

[snipezo]

He's 33 who's already had Tommy John history with a lot of mileage in his arm. His struggles this year literally has nothing to do with pitching in the al east.

 

[PWNdroia]

He's 33 who's already had Tommy John history with a lot of mileage in his arm. His struggles this year literally has nothing to do with pitching in the al east.

He's struggled in the past in the AL Central for most of his career.  He only had a few occasional good years.  
 
Look at his ERA in 2009, 2011 and 2012 (these were all when he was in the AL and his ERA was over 5.00 each year).  Exceptions are 2006 and 2010.  I omitted 2008 because he threw less than 80 innings.
 
In the NL for three years he had an ERA in the 3's (2013-2015).  That's a huge difference right there.
 
He has shown signs of brilliance, but his stats wash out to mediocre in the end.  I should also note, his career WHIP is 1.342 and he hasn't pitched over 200 innings for a single year of his career.

 

[snipezo]

Yeah he struggled badly after he had tommy john. But working with Searage in pittsburgh helped revive his career. Besides, he's still has a career 3.64 xfip (which park and league adjusted). He's had a solid career not just in NL, but AL imo.  I think he'd be a solid bullpen option as a long man or a lefty specialist at this point. 

 

[PWNdroia]

Yeah he struggled badly after he had tommy john. But working with Searage in pittsburgh helped revive his career. Besides, he's still has a career 3.64 xfip (which park and league adjusted). He's had a solid career not just in NL, but AL imo.  I think he'd be a solid bullpen option as a long man or a lefty specialist at this point. 

Well, he's not awful. I think he would help a team down the stretch, but I don't think he'd be a centerpiece.

 

[catman]

Twins signed Bartolo Colon to a minor league deal.  If he has anything left, its going to be a bargain.  I don't hold out a lot of hope that he can help much, though.

 

[PWNdroia]

Twins signed Bartolo Colon to a minor league deal.  If he has anything left, its going to be a bargain.  I don't hold out a lot of hope that he can help much, though.

I saw that.  Thought he was done, but the guy keeps coming back.  Started pitching in the 90's and he's still going.

 

[brett05]

A's want two prospects for Sonny Gray. The return on Stroman wouldn't be that much more than Sonny. Stroman only has one more year of control.
I have no problem trading pitching prospects to land a pitcher under the age of 27 who would be a staple in the rotation for the the 5 years in which the Cubs would be contenders. That's what you hope your prospects turn into.

The issue the Cubs have is that their pitching specs are nothing special.  That's why it will cost the Cubs more to land a TOR

 

[JZsportswhiz]

What would be really interesting if the Cubs continue to slide, is play both sides of the deadline. Buy a young pitcher a la Stroman, Gray, etc, and sell Lackey or Arrieta. Not that they would net a massive return, but possibly offset some of what is lost trading for the younger SP. 

I know that won't happen but it is interesting to think about. Sort of like what the Rangers did a couple years back 

 

[brett05]

Rumors are Quintana is traded before the season starts again.  This could be quite a haul for the Whitesox.  Possibly on the same level as the Red Sox deal with Sale.

 

[JZsportswhiz]

Rumors are Quintana is traded before the season starts again.  This could be quite a haul for the Whitesox.  Possibly on the same level as the Red Sox deal with Sale.

:sas:

 

[JZsportswhiz]

Q is good but damn I've never seen a fan base overate a player like the Sox do with this guy. He's nowhere near the level of Sale but Sox fans speak of them as equals. Sale is a top 3 pitcher in baseball. Stop with this nonsense. Three years of Q is not going to bring the same as 3.5 years of Q.There will be plenty of young arms on the market if that is the going rate

 

[Giantmetfan07]

He's not even having a good year

 

[Phil The Thrill]

No one is giving up a Sale package for Quintana.

 

[brett05]

Q is good but damn I've never seen a fan base overate a player like the Sox do with this guy. He's nowhere near the level of Sale but Sox fans speak of them as equals. Sale is a top 3 pitcher in baseball. Stop with this nonsense. Three years of Q is not going to bring the same as 3.5 years of Q.There will be plenty of young arms on the market if that is the going rate

Every Sox fan knows Sale is the better pitcher.  So not sure who you think says otherwise.  The issue is his age, contract, and durability.  Those that get paid to comment on the game have indicated for a bit that he'd be possibly more valuable in trade.  I think that has slipped just a touch.  Coming into this year Q was a top 7 pitcher.  Pitching in the WBC and doing so well the past 4-6 weeks puts his value very close to what it was in the offseason.  Given he's the best pitcher available and it's trade deadline time, both of those give a bump up in trading.

 

[brett05]

He's not even having a good year

And those in the know have the answer to that, he missed a significant portion of ST.  He did well in WBC on a massive stage.  He also has been dominant the last 4-6 weeks.  He's fine.  and has the age, control, and durability you want.

 

[brett05]

No one is giving up a Sale package for Quintana.

I think it will be very close for the reasons already given.  two top 50 specs, two additional 75-125 types. 

 

[Giantmetfan07]

I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, I just can't see team's giving up a sale package based on the numbers he has this year.

 

[brett05]

I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, I just can't see team's giving up a sale package based on the numbers he has this year.

The thing is no one is judging Q just on this year.  And outside of a few rough games he's been the Q he's been going into the season.  Plus Sale was traded in the offseason which made his value less.

 

[JZsportswhiz]

When Sale was on the market there was nobody out there like him.

Now, with Q that is not the case. There is Sonny Gray, Stroman, Fulmer, Norris, etc. Now I'm not saying all of them are better than Q, but certainly all have the age, control, and top of the rotation stuff.

A guy like Sale hits the trade market very rarely. Teams don't let that type of talent leave, so when they do the price is sky high. I could be wrong, I mean the White Sox got a haul for Eaton I did not see coming. A lot of this skepticism comes from the fact that he plays for the White Sox and very few people have had a chance to see him pitch more than a few times.