2016 NBA Finals Thread

[bosoxlover12]

Its the same old catch 22 people were critisizing LeBron's team for since Miami.

If he loses, he and his team suck and he can't get it done. If he wins, well look at all the superstar help he's got.

warriors are winning because they have three all-star talents who play well on offense and defense, as well as 2 star bench pieces and bigs that dont fuck up
 
the cavs all star talents are playing sub-par, where one cant play good offense, one cant play good defense, and one is shooting so inefficiently while playing bad defense. and nobody else on the roster can do anything
 
 
fuck the people that say he got superstar help to win. GS isn't in this finals without klay, and dray is probably the finals mvp right now. lebron needs help

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Lmaoo you are dumb af bnc. As you can see in this series, lebron has been a ghost. No fire, nothing, and the cavs are down 0-2 n got blown out in both games. Without lebron playing well the cavs are trash.

Now, Curry is averaging 14.5 points per game and warriors are up 2-0 lmaooo. So do you see the logic here or are you just a dumbass??? So who is the true MOST VALUABLE TO THEIR TEAM. Is it lebron who blows dick in the finals and it shows with the entire team losing by 20+ or is it curry, who also blows dick, scores 14 and gets carried by his stacked ass team and is still up 2-0. Curry wont win fmvp, and lebron is still 2/7. Shit is just great

Who should've been the MVP?

 

[Paulius]

Who should've been the MVP?

For the regular season, lebron, bc when no one really plays hard in the regular season, he can still put up good stats with that limited offesive game he has

 

[Pugz]

fwiw, i dont like lebron, but ill never discredit everything hes done and everything hes done for the game. i just dont think hes the best leader and to be a truly great player, you need to be.

 

[buzzy]

Really didn't wanna root for the Cavs because that team as a whole has gotten pretty annoying, but now I remember why I did root for them a year ago and why I am gonna to now. People not appreciating a single thing LeBron has done and completely denying that they're witnessing greatness.
If only he lost a little earlier in the playoffs instead of going to the finals all these times, people wouldn't even have a point to argue.

 

[Paulius]

Lmao "it woulda been different if kyrie and k love were healthy" they all said all year

Love is so fucking trash its unreal

Funny how kobe made a loser PF from memphis into a two time champion and lebron made a top 3 PF into a whinny bitch laying on the floor faking a concussion so he doesnt have to be part of this embarrassment lol

 

[elcheato]

Really didn't wanna root for the Cavs because that team as a whole has gotten pretty annoying, but now I remember why I did root for them a year ago and why I am gonna to now. People not appreciating a single thing LeBron has done and completely denying that they're witnessing greatness.
If only he lost a little earlier in the playoffs instead of going to the finals all these times, people wouldn't even have a point to argue.

This thread has established that LeBron is not a leader, not a truly great player, only good at lay ups, limited offensive game, and only good because of his height/weight. 
 
So many points being made 

 

[Pugz]

This thread has established that LeBron is not a leader, not a truly great player, only good at lay ups, limited offensive game, and only good because of his height/weight. 
 
So many points being made 

he isnt the leader that team needs. thats my only real knock on him.

 

[elcheato]

I couldn't care less about LeBron, but I'm loving the debate. Great minds battling it out, and I've got a front row seat. 

 

[Paulius]

fwiw, i dont like lebron, but ill never discredit everything hes done and everything hes done for the game. i just dont think hes the best leader and to be a truly great player, you need to be.

Done what? Collude with hall of famers and make a superteam in the weakest era of eastern conference? Or ditch his old superteam and go back home where a younger superteam is waiting for him? Thats not how basketball should be. You cant have everything handed to you on a plate. Cant be taking easy routes man. As a basketball player, lebron was great up until this point. He had a pretty all around game except for that broken ass shot but how he acts on the court, i just dont see any heart or love for the game. You telling me a player of his caliber should be regressing at the age of 31?? Kobe was killing the magic in nba finals averaging 30/6/6 at that age. My only answer to that is, he doesnt put the practice time in anymore. You think hes in the gym 24/7 in the offseason getting better?? Shooting thousand shots a day? Hell nah. Dudes only go to move nowadays is the stiff arm. No footwork, no shot, nothing but bulldozing thru everyone and laying it up or dunking it. I mean yea hes been the magic johnson of this era and i appreciate the greatness, but to be up on magics level, you cant be 2 for 7 in the finals. Magic was a winner and thats why hes top 3 arguably. Espn having lebron top 3 is a serious joke tho, come on

 

[Paulius]

Really didn't wanna root for the Cavs because that team as a whole has gotten pretty annoying, but now I remember why I did root for them a year ago and why I am gonna to now. People not appreciating a single thing LeBron has done and completely denying that they're witnessing greatness.
If only he lost a little earlier in the playoffs instead of going to the finals all these times, people wouldn't even have a point to argue.

You gotta stop thinking of what has happened. In this exact moment, hes not playing like a "top 3 all time player" according to espn. He has literally disappeared when his team needs him the most.

 

[Paulius]

Really didn't wanna root for the Cavs because that team as a whole has gotten pretty annoying, but now I remember why I did root for them a year ago and why I am gonna to now. People not appreciating a single thing LeBron has done and completely denying that they're witnessing greatness.
If only he lost a little earlier in the playoffs instead of going to the finals all these times, people wouldn't even have a point to argue.

Also one thing i gotta say to this.

If lebron never left cleveland the first time and went thru the bad times, and at this point only had one ring, but only with the cavs, id respect the shit out of him alot more than what he actually did

 

[bosoxlover12]

Lmao "it woulda been different if kyrie and k love were healthy" they all said all year

Love is so fucking trash its unreal

Funny how kobe made a loser PF from memphis into a two time champion and lebron made a top 3 PF into a whinny bitch laying on the floor faking a concussion so he doesnt have to be part of this embarrassment lol

you clearly don't understand basketball
 
loser PF in gasol? he was a 19/9 player on one of the worst teams in the league, who had almost no supporting cast (iirc, his best teammate was bonzi wells). he did great in his job
 
and with love, he's just being used wrong. He's a guy you need to feed the ball down low to score, and when you do that he is really dominant. but the cavs want him as a situational option guy, who doesn't get his plays set up for him because hes the third option. 
 
klove is a great scorer still, he just is misutilized. and when you arent using kevin love on offense, he's such a liablility defensively that it doesnt matter about his offense. his scoring in minnesota evened out his defense, but now it doesn't. still a great player, just wrong place. he'd be a 20/10 guy on another team

 

[buzzy]

He played in an era of incredible team basketball. His downfall in the Finals is a franchise that, looking back years down the road from now, will be considered the most dominant and consistent dynasty of the century's first 20 years. Oh yeah, the other team is only being considered the best team of all time because they're better than anyone else ever at a shot that's worth more than yours.
The only stain on his resume is his 2011 performance, noones gonna defend that one.

 

[Paulius]

you clearly don't understand basketball
 
loser PF in gasol? he was a 19/9 player on one of the worst teams in the league, who had almost no supporting cast (iirc, his best teammate was bonzi wells). he did great in his job
 
and with love, he's just being used wrong. He's a guy you need to feed the ball down low to score, and when you do that he is really dominant. but the cavs want him as a situational option guy, who doesn't get his plays set up for him because hes the third option. 
 
klove is a great scorer still, he just is misutilized. and when you arent using kevin love on offense, he's such a liablility defensively that it doesnt matter about his offense. his scoring in minnesota evened out his defense, but now it doesn't. still a great player, just wrong place. he'd be a 20/10 guy on another team

My point was that they were both losers on shitty ass teams. Last in conference. Gasol got even better with the lakers.

Its no ones fault but k loves for losing all that weight so he cant bang in the paint anymore, get rebounds, etc. He made himself a three point shooter which was his own fault. Just like AD is doing now, and ibaka has done. Imo its dumb bc they are all great players inside who used to do it all under the rim. Ibaka was sucha monster when he played under the rim all the time getting offesnsive rebounds n what not. Its this bullshit of falling in love with the three is whats wrong nowadays. Its all on the players to decide how they wanna be used, and love took the wrong route. If he had the weight he could easily bang with green downlow and grab 15+ rebounds like he used to

 

[buzzy]

You gotta stop thinking of what has happened. In this exact moment, hes not playing like a "top 3 all time player" according to espn. He has literally disappeared when his team needs him the most.

I dont really give a shit what ESPN or any other "experts" say. None of them really know more than you or me of what's going on in the sport, only difference is they're being watched and payed to tell us things.
Lebatard had a great compilation on his show of all the media members telling us how Golden State is done against OKC.
It's funny on one hand but it really made me think of the completely pointless jobs that are TV analysts. I don't know why we can't watch sports without having to listen to other people's opinions that are based on absolutley nothing at all.

Different kinda rant, sorry.

 

[Paulius]

I dont really give a shit what ESPN or any other "experts" say. None of them really know more than you or me of what's going on in the sport, only difference is they're being watched and payed to tell us things.
Lebatard had a great compilation on his show of all the media members telling us how Golden State is done against OKC.
It's funny on one hand but it really made me think of the completely pointless jobs that are TV analysts. I don't know why we can't watch sports without having to listen to other people's opinions that are based on absolutley nothing at all.

Different kinda rant, sorry.

Its all good homie, im completely on your side on this one

 

[Paulius]

 

[CameronCrazy06]

you clearly don't understand basketball
 
loser PF in gasol? he was a 19/9 player on one of the worst teams in the league, who had almost no supporting cast (iirc, his best teammate was bonzi wells). he did great in his job
 
and with love, he's just being used wrong. He's a guy you need to feed the ball down low to score, and when you do that he is really dominant. but the cavs want him as a situational option guy, who doesn't get his plays set up for him because hes the third option. 
 
klove is a great scorer still, he just is misutilized. and when you arent using kevin love on offense, he's such a liablility defensively that it doesnt matter about his offense. his scoring in minnesota evened out his defense, but now it doesn't. still a great player, just wrong place. he'd be a 20/10 guy on another team

Pretty sure Pau led the Grizzlies to 50 wins at least once

Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Posey, Jason Williams

Check bbref breh

 

[Pugz]

Done what? Collude with hall of famers and make a superteam in the weakest era of eastern conference? Or ditch his old superteam and go back home where a younger superteam is waiting for him? Thats not how basketball should be. You cant have everything handed to you on a plate. Cant be taking easy routes man. As a basketball player, lebron was great up until this point. He had a pretty all around game except for that broken ass shot but how he acts on the court, i just dont see any heart or love for the game. You telling me a player of his caliber should be regressing at the age of 31?? Kobe was killing the magic in nba finals averaging 30/6/6 at that age. My only answer to that is, he doesnt put the practice time in anymore. You think hes in the gym 24/7 in the offseason getting better?? Shooting thousand shots a day? Hell nah. Dudes only go to move nowadays is the stiff arm. No footwork, no shot, nothing but bulldozing thru everyone and laying it up or dunking it. I mean yea hes been the magic johnson of this era and i appreciate the greatness, but to be up on magics level, you cant be 2 for 7 in the finals. Magic was a winner and thats why hes top 3 arguably. Espn having lebron top 3 is a serious joke tho, come on

hes made the game a thousand times more popular. the game is easy for him. always has been. maybe his drive isnt there like it used to be(how do we really know?), but the guy is still a work horse. he has his hissy fits. thats what i dont like. hes taken the refs for granted imo. but if youre acting like the beatings he takes driving to the basket isnt taking a tole on his body then idk what youre watching.