2013-2014 NBA Season Thread

[jonathanlambert33]

sweet burn man

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Thanks it took me about as long as most of your essays on Tyreke Evans' left handed dribbling skills or Andrew Wiggins' first step do.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Damn two for two. You're killing me lol

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Word

 

[CameronCrazy06]

If your top players know you're purposely attempting to lose, why would they want to stay? They don't care about draft position. You can put your team in a position that doesn't make it easy to suceed, but there's only so much you can do.

In most scenarios I'm against tanking, but if you're fighting to keep your draft pick that goes to another team if it isn't low enough, I'm trying to keep it if I'm management/coaching.
 
FWIW:
 

 
10. New Orleans Pelicans | Status: Trying | Record: 29-40 (2-1)
 
 
The Pelicans' chances of this pick landing in the top five have dramatically dwindled. They'd have to leapfrog over the Kings, Jazz and Lakers with just 13 games remaining. The Sixers are now very likely to get this pick unless the Pelicans improbably win the lottery. Losing this pick would be a major blow to the franchise.

 - ESPN

 

[Mexi]

If the pels had their pick, im sure cc wouldnt care if they were a mid pack team

Thats all hes saying

Dubs did it 2 years ago to keep their pick and ended up with barnes

 

[buzzy]

The Sixers are gonna be fun in like 3 years

 

[jonathanlambert33]

You're taking ESPN for gospel? That goes a long ways towards why you're so misinformed.

In what way, is losing that pick a "major blow?" In what way does losing the 10th or 11th pick serve as a major blow to the teams future? Is the pick any more or less valuable if the team is relatively healthy over the course of the season and they're sitting at or above 39 wins compared to 29 wins? Would you take a guy like Gary Harris, Doug McDermott, Jerami Grant, or Rodney Hood over Jrue? How do you even place a value on that pick?

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Eh nobody said anything about taking ESPN as a gospel, quite frankly I hate ESPN. If the Pelicans were to keep the pick, wouldn't it have to be top 6? So naming guys you could get at 11 is just a poor argument (again, par for the course with you).
 
And lol at you thinking the Pelicans would have 39 wins right now if they'd stayed healthy all year.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Eh nobody said anything about taking ESPN as a gospel, quite frankly I hate ESPN. If the Pelicans were to keep the pick, wouldn't it have to be top 6? So naming guys you could get at 11 is just a poor argument (again, par for the course with you).
 
And lol at you thinking the Pelicans would have 39 wins right now if they'd stayed healthy all year.

I get that you want to hate on the Pelicans because of me, similar to how you hate on the Rockets because of BWare, and so on, but lets put the idiotic and childish act to the side for a while and be realistic. This Pelicans team as it's currently constructed, has 29 wins. That is with Jrue Holiday, Ryan Anderson, and Jason Smith (three of the teams top six or seven players) missing 120 games out of a possible 207 games combined. In the games those guys played together (the Pels have not had their full complement of players for a single game this season), the team posted a 55% win percentage.

So in 69 total games, a team that has a point differential of two points a game, a team that has lost seven games by one basket, it's ridiculous to say a healthy roster with Holiday, Anderson, Smith, etc could have changed ten of those games? We can even move off that ten number and say around ten.

And gaining that pick would be awesome, but it's like found money. If you get to keep it, awesome that's great. But if you don't? Oh well, it's not something you planned on having anyway, so it's not a "blow to the franchise." I doubt Monty and Dell have ever looked at it that way. Not to mention, I bring up the 10th-11th because it was never anticipated that we'd have a pick high enough to grab a Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, etc anyway. That was never probable. Doesn't matter if we traded the pick or not, signed Reke or not, we would have never been bad enough to be that high. 10th to 11th though, is.

 

[Mexi]

Damn quentin ross died
Damn

He was a pretty decent player for the clips when they were good that one year

RIP

 

[Mexi]

Now they're saying its a different ross, same name though

 

[dcpwner]

Nola. How can you, as a Pels fan, not want to keep that pick especially because of the injuries you mentioned? You're not going to see what the Pels could be until next year anyways might as well want to keep that pick even if it means tanking.
I agree to a certain extent with the players not wanting to tank and playing their best which makes sense but if I were a Pels fan I'd be happy with the strides AD is taking and be happy losing.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Nola. How can you, as a Pels fan, not want to keep that pick especially because of the injuries you mentioned? You're not going to see what the Pels could be until next year anyways might as well want to keep that pick even if it means tanking.
I agree to a certain extent with the players not wanting to tank and playing their best which makes sense but if I were a Pels fan I'd be happy with the strides AD is taking and be happy losing.

I'd love to keep that pick. A week or two ago I made a post in this thread how this season is now about the development of Anthony Davis more than wins or losses. But asking players and coaches to lose is just idiotic and unreasonable. And even if I did want the team to purposely drop games, it wouldn't be reasonable because top five isn't attainable.

 

[dcpwner]

I'd love to keep that pick. A week or two ago I made a post in this thread how this season is now about the development of Anthony Davis more than wins or losses. But asking players and coaches to lose is just idiotic and unreasonable. And even if I did want the team to purposely drop games, it wouldn't be reasonable because top five isn't attainable.

Like I said...I see the point where asking players to tank is a bit unreasonable. But for a coach? I feel especially in this class that working with any one of the top 5 picks this year would be fucking sweet. And the way you post about Monty it seems like they told him to tank and it looked like he was gonna do it for awhile

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Monty just sucks lol

Though you have to give credit where it's due, he's working on getting out of his 80's and 90's era brand coaching.

 

[dcpwner]

Monty just sucks lol

Though you have to give credit where it's due, he's working on getting out of his 80's and 90's era brand coaching.

I know you haven't always felt that way tho. I feel like I'm hearing how bad Monty sucks from you just this season.
 
And IDK why an 80s or 90s based coaching approach wouldn't work. Sure you have to adapt to pace and seeing stretch forwards but the philosophy based in fundamentals should work still

 

[jonathanlambert33]

It started last season, when I started to see signs. I thought he was good for a young coach, but you just never saw him break the bad habits. I think it had a lot to do with being carried by Chris Paul and David West that first season, and having Mike Malone as his top assistant, he's admitted as much.

And the fundamentals part is fine, but the game is different. Philosophies are different, players are different, and what worked back then strategically wouldn't work now. Smallest example is probably how Monty's teams have a tendency to allow a lot of open threes defensively and to take only a few threes offensively. Just doesn't work in todays NBA.

 

[dcpwner]

It started last season, when I started to see signs. I thought he was good for a young coach, but you just never saw him break the bad habits. I think it had a lot to do with being carried by Chris Paul and David West that first season, and having Mike Malone as his top assistant, he's admitted as much.

And the fundamentals part is fine, but the game is different. Philosophies are different, players are different, and what worked back then strategically wouldn't work now. Smallest example is probably how Monty's teams have a tendency to allow a lot of open threes defensively and to take only a few threes offensively. Just doesn't work in todays NBA.

I mean...I guess but its still basketball. Phil Jackson believes his triangle would still work. I'd say most of the changes would have to be made defensively.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

The triangle is sustainable. You can change little nuances in it, but it will always work.

You hit the nail on the head talking about defense. That's the problem.