2011 Super Bowl Thread

[Pugz]

Cruz is an undrafted free agent who almost didn't even make this team this year.

 

[iInsulin]

Cruz was in a fight for one of the final roster spots as cutdown day approached at the end of the 2010 preseason. The team liked Cruz, but they also liked Derek Hagan and felt that Cruz could use some time on the practice squad. Giants vice president of player evaluation Chris Mara admitted to Mike Garofalo of the Newark Star-Ledger that the salsa dancing receiver was destined for waivers before some intervention from up above.

Mara himself said, "He was saved by some upper-echelon Giants front-office people,” “I’ll put it that way."

 

[Pugz]

Cruz was in a fight for one of the final roster spots as cutdown day approached at the end of the 2010 preseason. The team liked Cruz, but they also liked Derek Hagan and felt that Cruz could use some time on the practice squad. Giants vice president of player evaluation Chris Mara admitted to Mike Garofalo of the Newark Star-Ledger that the salsa dancing receiver was destined for waivers before some intervention from up above.

Mara himself said, "He was saved by some upper-echelon Giants front-office people,” “I’ll put it that way."

 

[Giantmetfan07]

WTF

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-06/patriots-are-favored-to-win-2013-super-bowl-with-champion-giants-at-8-1.html

ODDS TO WIN 2013 SUPER BOWL

New England Patriots    5-1
Green Bay Packers      11-2
Pittsburgh Steelers     6-1
Philadelphia Eagles     6-1
New York Giants         8-1
New Orleans Saints     10-1
San Francisco 49ers    10-1
San Diego Chargers     12-1
Houston Texans         12-1
Chicago Bears          17-1
Detroit Lions          18-1
Atlanta Falcons        18-1
Dallas Cowboys         20-1
Baltimore Ravens       20-1
New York Jets          20-1
Indianapolis Colts     25-1
Tennessee Titans       30-1
Cincinnati Bengals     30-1
Buffalo Bills          50-1
Kansas City Chiefs     50-1
Seattle Seahawks       50-1
Denver Broncos         50-1
Carolina Panthers      50-1
Miami Dolphins         50-1
St. Louis Rams         50-1
Oakland Raiders        60-1
Minnesota Vikings      60-1
Arizona Cardinals      60-1
Cleveland Browns       75-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers  100-1
Washington Redskins   125-1
Jacksonville Jaguars  150-1

 

[WHO-DEY-BENGALS_18]

WTF

http://www.bloomberg...nts-at-8-1.html

ODDS TO WIN 2013 SUPER BOWL

New England Patriots    5-1
Green Bay Packers      11-2
Pittsburgh Steelers 	6-1
Philadelphia Eagles 	6-1
New York Giants     	8-1
New Orleans Saints 	10-1
San Francisco 49ers    10-1
San Diego Chargers 	12-1
Houston Texans     	12-1
Chicago Bears          17-1
Detroit Lions          18-1
Atlanta Falcons        18-1
Dallas Cowboys     	20-1
Baltimore Ravens   	20-1
New York Jets          20-1
Indianapolis Colts 	25-1
Tennessee Titans   	30-1
Cincinnati Bengals 	30-1
Buffalo Bills          50-1
Kansas City Chiefs 	50-1
Seattle Seahawks   	50-1
Denver Broncos     	50-1
Carolina Panthers      50-1
Miami Dolphins     	50-1
St. Louis Rams     	50-1
Oakland Raiders        60-1
Minnesota Vikings      60-1
Arizona Cardinals      60-1
Cleveland Browns   	75-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers  100-1
Washington Redskins   125-1
Jacksonville Jaguars  150-1

Why are the Colts up that high? Give me a break.

 

[Hurricane Season]

125-1 is a bit extreme.

A healthy Redskins team with an upgrade at the QB position is a team that could contend for a playoff spot.

 

[kam.]

150-1 BABY!!

SUPERBOWL BOUND!

 

[VC15]

Taken from Mark Herzlich's YouTube channel:

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[NV]

You guys might not think Eli is a top 5 Quarterback but I sure am happy he's playing for my team.

 

[cruzg24]

ATT	COMP	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	RATE	YDS/G
657	468	71.2	5,476	8.34	79	46	14	24	110.6	342
611	401	65.6	5,235	8.57	99	39	12	32	105.6	327
589	359	61.0	4,933	8.38	99	29	16	28	92.9	308
502	343	68.3	4,643	9.25	93	45	6	36	122.5	310

One of these things is not like the other...

Those three, plus Peyton, are the elite QBs in the NFL. No one else is as good as they are and has the hardware to back it up. Eli is in the next tier with Big Ben. Two rings, but just simply not as good as those guys.



I hate all the talk that is going to happen in school, but in all honesty, despite them being the Jets rivals because they're the other NY team, I don't dislike the majority of the players on the Giants. I actually like a lot of players on the Giants and I don't dislike Eli, he just doesn't deserve to be called elite because he simply isn't.

Do you mind posting the postseason stats for those elite QB's in the playoffs? Im really interested who the best QB out of those are in the playoffs. Should be interesting...

 

[WHO-DEY-BENGALS_18]

 

[Elite]

Do you mind posting the postseason stats for those elite QB's in the playoffs? Im really interested who the best QB out of those are in the playoffs. Should be interesting...

Cmp 	Att 	Cmp% 	Yds 	TD 	Int 	Rate      W-L Record
262 	392 	66.8% 	2980 	22 	4 	103.9     5-4 
472 	752 	62.8% 	5009 	36 	19 	87.6      16-6
219 	356 	61.5% 	2516 	17 	8 	89.3      8-3
144 	220 	65.5% 	1781 	15 	4 	105.5     5-2

Closer, but one of these things just doesn't belong.

 

[RipCity32]

Wonder how this game would have ended had Gronk not been hurt...

 

[VC15]

LMFAO. Man, you just lost all credibility.

You sure do have a boner for guys that can come back in the end and win it.

Tebow and now Eli.

That's a tougher list than the QB's the Pats had to face during their ten game win streak.

And Stafford > Eli?

You're the one talking about people losing credibilty?

In the words of Tiki Barber:

"Comical."

 

[RipCity32]

I'd still take Stafford over Eli every day of the week.

 

[Pugz]

i wouldnt, only cause im not making any huge statements about stafford until he plays another full season.

 

[RipCity32]

A 23 year old having that type of season, good enough for me.
I, like kam, would slot him at #5.

 

[Pugz]

i say eli is top 5b. and i rank the top five to be elite.

 

[bosoxlover12]

lol if Brady throws that ball to Welker a tiny bit lower, and Wes catches it, this conversation doesnt even occur.

Giants won the 1st Super Bowl because of their defense, 100%. Eli got MVP because no WR/TE/RB had a breakout game, and they cant give the award to an entire defensive line. It was Strahan, Osi, and Tuck in 2007 that got them the win. But you give the award to the QB most of the time; only exception is when a single non-QB has a great game.

Eli definitely played well in this Super Bowl, but they won because Tuck owned. He made Logan Mankins his bitch, and rushed Brady so much. JPP played great as well. But because not one person stood out so much, they had to give the MVP to Eli.

Like, if Jerod Mayo forced a fumble on that last Giants drive, and New England recovered and won, Brady gets MVP, not Mayo. Its a meaningless award, to be honest.

I think 95% of NFL fans can agree Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, in no order, are the Top 3.
Aside from Giants homers, Peyton is still the superior Manning, and is #4.

Eli v Roethlisberger v Stafford v Rivers. Eli and Stafford had great years this year, Roethlisberger was solid, Rivers threw many INTs

My #5 is Rivers. Compare the stats for Eli and Rivers for 2010+2011

Player A: 8,935 yards, 60 TDs, 41 INTs, 62.0% completion, 89.2 passer rating
Player B: 9,334 yards, 57 TDs, 33 INTs, 64.5% completion, 95.0 passer rating

Player A is Eli, Player 2 is Rivers. I dont know how anyone can take player A over player B, unless they want a worse QB. Remember, for as bad of a year Rivers had this year, Eli in 2010 was worse

 

[Falcons11497]

Im not gonna go rush and say "SO AND SO IS #5" because of one good year. Consistency is key, and outside of Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers, none of the other quarterbacks have proven to be all that consistent imo