AL/NL ROY

[snipezo]

Well since Rios brought up NL/AL MVP's why not bring up AL/NL ROY's right?

AL: Dustin Ackley
NL: Kimbrel

 

[Mexi]

I agree with you.
Ackley and Kimbrel

 

[Rios15]

I think Lawrie would easily beat out Ackley if they played exactly the same amount of games. Lawrie already has as many homeruns as him.

Kimbrel is a good choice for NL ROY with 40 saves, and a 1.70 ERA.

Haven't been following the rookie race too much though.

 

[Pugz]

justin verlander.




oh wait

 

[snipezo]

Maybe if the jays called him up earlier he would have had a chance but I think he hasn't played enough to be considered a candidate. I'm actually hoping he doesn't go over 135 at bats but unfortunately he'll probably have over 135 lol

 

[Rios15]

Maybe if the jays called him up earlier he would have had a chance but I think he hasn't played enough to be considered a candidate. I'm actually hoping he doesn't go over 135 at bats but unfortunately he'll probably have over 135 lol

Is that what you need to be considered a rookie? lol.

 

[Rios15]

justin verlander.




oh wait

Lol. I hope Jered Weaver gets Cy Young just for that lol.

 

[Mexi]

i change my mind
Ackley has only played 58 games

Pineda for AL ROY

 

[snipezo]

Ye if a rook is over that, he's not gonna be considered a rook the next season.

 

[snipezo]

Pineda's fallen off a bit but I like his chances too.

 

[Elite]

Ivan Nova > Pineda

 

[Pugz]

Lol. I hope Jered Weaver gets Cy Young just for that lol.

not gonna happen. nice try though

 

[Mexi]

Ye if a rook is over that, he's not gonna be considered a rook the next season.

yeah in 08, Pablo Sandoval went over by 15 AB's otherwise he easily wins in 09

 

[Elite]

not gonna happen. nice try though

Weaver > Verlander

30 point ERA advantage and if he finishes under 2.00 it's over.

 

[Rios15]

Weaver > Verlander

30 point ERA advantage and if he finishes under 2.00 it's over.

I'm a big fan of Weaver.

But Verlander has a better .BAA and .OBPA, plus with more strikeouts, and a better WHIP. Only think Weaver really beats him in is ERA.

Guess we should make a Cy Young thread now

 

[Mexi]

lol bleacher no

Justin is CY and it should be unanimous

 

[Elite]

Name a pitcher with a sub-2 ERA who didn't win the Cy...I'll wait.

 

[Mexi]

ERA is too misleading.
FIP is a better judge. same with xFIP


ERA has too many variables
say a pitcher in Oakland has a 2.3 ERA. he has a huge advantage of all that foul ground and just an overall huge park
say a pitcher has an ERA of 2.3 in Colorado. way more impressive considering that ballpark

FIP is things a pitcher can control. Walks, Strikeouts, Homers. once a hitter puts the ball in play, it's up to the defense

Justin's FIP is 2.73
Weav's FIP is 2.80



tons of other stats suggest Justin over Weav.
i didnt even go into xFIP or Ground ball percentage etc

but even looking beyond SABR. Verlander has WAY more K's
has 1 more walk in about 20 more innings
a 2.28 ERA isnt something to dismiss either if youre going to look at ERA

 

[Mexi]

and to answer your question, ROger Clemens in 2005 had a 1.87 ERA for the Astros and didnt win the CY

 

[snipezo]

I think Morrow is top 3 in fip

Do the voters even look at sabermetrics though?