Newton Criticized For Media Workout

[footballplaya52]

What upside I ask...and I am asking in terms of first round value. Cam Newton is a project QB, you said it urself, but no teams are rushing to tackle that project while burning up a first round pick at the same time. Athletic QB's who ran gimmicky offenses, with more intangibles, and better pocket potential, have come along before...and they've failed miserably.


Ya Mooche is right. I'm such a dick for saying you're point of view is wrong and then being so persistent about it. Maybe if I just ran around posting one-liners like "douche", "you mad", or "lmfao", to literally every thread...perhaps I'd be way more likeable??

Yeah























U MAD

 

[Brutalis]

I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Whichever team drafts Newton in the first (because he will go in the first) will be stuck looking for another QB shortly down the line. The guy is gonna be a bust. He feels he's entitled to something, you can tell. As great as the SEC is, it's not the NFL. He's going to have trouble being the "rookie" and those 6 foot 230 lb linebackers running 4.7's will turn into 6'3 250 lb linebackers running 4.5's.

I concur.

 

[TTN2810]

LOL AE.
It's the fact that you are starting fights and are an Admin. We were agreeing with most of what you said, and you still were repeating what you though. No, we don't have a reason we think he'll be a first rounder cause we don't think he's that good, but a team will. Everyone knows it. He has great upside. He's huge, big arm, a great leader, commands the huddle etc. So someone will take that shot.

 

[A.E]

LOL AE.
It's the fact that you are starting fights and are an Admin. We were agreeing with most of what you said, and you still were repeating what you though. No, we don't have a reason we think he'll be a first rounder cause we don't think he's that good, but a team will. Everyone knows it. He has great upside. He's huge, big arm, a great leader, commands the huddle etc. So someone will take that shot.

I don't give a fuck what my title is I will always argue my point to the death. Nobody said you couldn't get into fights at si but there's a number of ppl that have to bring this shit to an adolescent and personal level....pretty much ruining it for everyone. Yes, I am talking about those members who do nothing but substitute a lack of knowledge with one-to-two word internet cliches.

Maybe all ur friends think Cam Newton will go in the first round but in terms of the rest of the world, that is not the consensus. Again, I. Encourage you to broaden that sports horizon. Your argument is lame, your generalizing and you just think b/c that's what a lot of ppl aroubd you are saying. Cam Newton can run fast, he's a big guy, and he can chuck a football, period. There's a lot of qb's that are the exact same but with less opportunity. Cam Newton is no great field general or poised or any sort of leader you are trying to hype him up to be. He's got great upside as a punt returner, end of story.

 

[Hurricane Season]

I asked for 1 team that would legit-take a chance on Newton in the 1st. You said Miami and I then I gave you a handful of QB's that Miami would take ahead of Newton. I don't know what the hell you're talking about...when exactly did I put those words into your mouth?

Locker ran a pro-style offense under Ty Willingham for 2 years and then Steve Sarkisian for another 2 years. Locker has started since a true freshman, is 10-times the pro style quarterback that Cam Newton could ever wish to be, and Locker actually understands an NFL playbook.

Bashing Christian Ponder means you obviously paid no attention to the Senior Bowl...which in turn, means you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. Yeah...it's cool to be a Cam Newton fan right now, but don't allow the hoopla to cloud better judgment.

Cam Newton was a special CFB player, for one season, but he's nothing the NFL hasn't already seen, chewed up, and spit out before. Cam can thank vintage Michael Vick for spoiling the fun for him. NFL defenses don't let one-dimensional, running qb's do what Vick used to do anymore. It's going to take an accuracy and reads, that Vick found after jailtime, and Newton just doesn't have.

The fact that you're defending christian ponder means YOU paid no fucking attention to the senior bowl. You probably looked at his stats and figured he had a good game. Go back and watch some of his throws, and then try to tell me he had a good game. Regardless of what he did or didn't do in the senior bowl has little to no value to me anyway. I watched him at Florida State for 3 years. He's garbage, and has always been garbage.

Is that how you evaluate players? From a worthless all star game?

 

[kam.]

The fact that you're defending christian ponder means YOU paid no fucking attention to the senior bowl. You probably looked at his stats and figured he had a good game. Go back and watch some of his throws, and then try to tell me he had a good game. Regardless of what he did or didn't do in the senior bowl has little to no value to me anyway. I watched him at Florida State for 3 years. He's garbage, and has always been garbage.

Is that how you evaluate players? From a worthless all star game?

Exactly, Jake has the biggest point here. The Senior Bowl has the same rules as the Pro Bowl for christ sakes "no blitzing among other things". Ponder looked HORRIBLE at the Senior Bowl.

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Now, ONTO the Newton situation.

I don't like the kid one bit, If the Jags drafted him (which I doubt happens because of his immature attitude and Gene Smith doesn't put up with that bullshit) then I'd welcome him with open arms, not saying I'd be happy about it, but thats how much I respect Gene Smiths opinion.

Now, do I think he will be a first round pick? I don't know, Locker was/is rated above Newton, and if Lockers stock slides, then so does Newtons.

If Newton is around the 22 range, he could very well slide to the 2nd round because those teams are playoff teams and they draft based off of BAP, not a QB thats going to sit and not contribute to a team when most of them have their franchise QB. Could somebody trade up for him? Probably, but who's going to want to trade up for that? He has talent, but I've seen EVERY scout compare him to Akili Smith. I doubt many people like him.

Also A.E, Why are you getting mad because somebody doesn't argee with you? That's the reason why everybody else has their own opinion. I don't get why you are basically saying that if they don't agree with you, then they could possibly end up banned like SG did. It's pretty fucked up on all levels. I couldn't imagine anybody banned right now, the NFL Forum is dead on its own due to no news because of everything happens AFTER the superbowl.

 

[DJT]

I'm pretty sure Newton will be gone in the 1st. Is he worth it, most likely not, but I see him going in the 1st.

Seems like in all of the mocks I've read, whoever it is done by has him going in the 1st. I think a few teams in the first will take that chance, just in case he ever can become anything.

 

[A.E]

Exactly, Jake has the biggest point here. The Senior Bowl has the same rules as the Pro Bowl for christ sakes "no blitzing among other things". Ponder looked HORRIBLE at the Senior Bowl.

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Now, ONTO the Newton situation.

I don't like the kid one bit, If the Jags drafted him (which I doubt happens because of his immature attitude and Gene Smith doesn't put up with that bullshit) then I'd welcome him with open arms, not saying I'd be happy about it, but thats how much I respect Gene Smiths opinion.

Now, do I think he will be a first round pick? I don't know, Locker was/is rated above Newton, and if Lockers stock slides, then so does Newtons.

If Newton is around the 22 range, he could very well slide to the 2nd round because those teams are playoff teams and they draft based off of BAP, not a QB thats going to sit and not contribute to a team when most of them have their franchise QB. Could somebody trade up for him? Probably, but who's going to want to trade up for that? He has talent, but I've seen EVERY scout compare him to Akili Smith. I doubt many people like him.

Also A.E, Why are you getting mad because somebody doesn't argee with you? That's the reason why everybody else has their own opinion. I don't get why you are basically saying that if they don't agree with you, then they could possibly end up banned like SG did. It's pretty fucked up on all levels. I couldn't imagine anybody banned right now, the NFL Forum is dead on its own due to no news because of everything happens AFTER the superbowl.

Who said I was mad? Don't let my persistancy in this thread lead you to believe "he mad" at all...b/c I'm not. I am a little annoyed by the fact that there's a small group who want to tell me that I am wrong...with very little to say when it comes to making their point. What DJT just posted...pretty much sums it up. It's a whole lotta' "Cam will go in the 1st, I'm sure", close quote. I mean what the fuck is that? Is this what SI has come to? My God...I guess I have been away from digging deep into the sports discussion, around here, for too long. I am starting to see why Blake thought he was such know-it-all. With the exception of a few, nobody backs up their opinion around here anymore. I don't even know why I am wasting my time with trying to make my point so much...when I'm only being met with one line of generic bullshit and/or Rockstar's (typical) cliched as fuck, single word reply.

This is what I am seeing out of 90% of our sports discussion right now:

Poster 1: "Cam will go in the first, some team will take a chance."

Poster 2: "hell yea, he has upside...big arm."

Poster 3: "^ What he said"

Poster 4: "I don't like the guy but somebody will trade back into the first round and take him"

Poster 5: "Hells yes, he better den Tebowz"

...yeah, some quality discussion we got going on here. Then leave it to me, to come in and spew way more than that bullshit...really rattle the cages. Suddenly, I'm mad, I'm an asshole, I'm admin who shouldn't be trying to start fights, blah, blah, blah.

If you people don't like what I have to say...then make an argument to dispute. This is how it works, this is the NFL Discussion aspect of sports forum, this is not the fucking Community thread or the Rap Forum. Put up an argument or GTFO. Don't sit back and tell me that I'm wrong when all anyone can come up with is, "Everyone thinks he's going in the first" or "Quote dis, I'm sure of it".

And no Kam, don't get what I'm saying twisted. Show me exactly where I said, "disagree and you'll be banned". Banhammer was brought up after dumbshit like "/douche" was posted. So again, don't put words into my mouth.

 

[footballplaya52]

U LYKE SYRUP ON YER ROFLS?

 

[Elite]

People think he's going to go in the 1st round because every mock that I've ever seen has had Cam Newton go in the 1st round. This guy, like many have already said, is filled with potential. He has everything that can't be taught. Cannon for an arm, is built like a brick shit house, can run with the best of them, and I'm not sure where you said it but you said something along the lines of Cam not being a leader or not taking control of the huddle or w/e, but from what I've heard, that's not the case whatsoever.

"He's got the ability, once he gets in the huddle, that all eyes are on him, and whatever he says, they're going to do," Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn said.

That's a quote from his offensive coordinator.

You're right, he put up numbers in a system that doesn't translate to the NFL. You're right, he has a lot of work to do on everything from his mechanics, to his accuracy, etc...

But when you compare him to every other QB in this class, there is no one that stands out above him other than Gabbert I guess.

So many teams need a QB and it's not like anyone but Gabbert has separated himself from the pack that it's not inconceivable to think that Cam will go in the 1st round and the fact that you're treating him not going in the 1st round as a fact is a bit ridiculous.

 

[TTN2810]

Yep ^

 

[Hurricane Season]

Who said I was mad? Don't let my persistancy in this thread lead you to believe "he mad" at all...b/c I'm not. I am a little annoyed by the fact that there's a small group who want to tell me that I am wrong...with very little to say when it comes to making their point. What DJT just posted...pretty much sums it up. It's a whole lotta' "Cam will go in the 1st, I'm sure", close quote. I mean what the fuck is that? Is this what SI has come to? My God...I guess I have been away from digging deep into the sports discussion, around here, for too long. I am starting to see why Blake thought he was such know-it-all. With the exception of a few, nobody backs up their opinion around here anymore. I don't even know why I am wasting my time with trying to make my point so much...when I'm only being met with one line of generic bullshit and/or Rockstar's (typical) cliched as fuck, single word reply.

This is what I am seeing out of 90% of our sports discussion right now:

...yeah, some quality discussion we got going on here. Then leave it to me, to come in and spew way more than that bullshit...really rattle the cages. Suddenly, I'm mad, I'm an asshole, I'm admin who shouldn't be trying to start fights, blah, blah, blah.

If you people don't like what I have to say...then make an argument to dispute. This is how it works, this is the NFL Discussion aspect of sports forum, this is not the fucking Community thread or the Rap Forum. Put up an argument or GTFO. Don't sit back and tell me that I'm wrong when all anyone can come up with is, "Everyone thinks he's going in the first" or "Quote dis, I'm sure of it".

And no Kam, don't get what I'm saying twisted. Show me exactly where I said, "disagree and you'll be banned". Banhammer was brought up after dumbshit like "/douche" was posted. So again, don't put words into my mouth.

I'm not sure if you're talking about me here, but I have backed up my argument pretty thoroughly.

There's really not much to say. He's going to be a first round pick based on his athletic ability alone. If he fails at quarterback, then you have a potential hell of a tight end to fall back on. He's also going to put asses in seats which is something many people overlook.

I can't stand Cam Newton though...he's the biggest cock munch I've seen come out of college in years, and he can eat a bag of dicks for all I care.

 

[A.E]

People think he's going to go in the 1st round because every mock that I've ever seen has had Cam Newton go in the 1st round. This guy, like many have already said, is filled with potential. He has everything that can't be taught. Cannon for an arm, is built like a brick shit house, can run with the best of them, and I'm not sure where you said it but you said something along the lines of Cam not being a leader or not taking control of the huddle or w/e, but from what I've heard, that's not the case whatsoever.



That's a quote from his offensive coordinator.

You're right, he put up numbers in a system that doesn't translate to the NFL. You're right, he has a lot of work to do on everything from his mechanics, to his accuracy, etc...

But when you compare him to every other QB in this class, there is no one that stands out above him other than Gabbert I guess.

So many teams need a QB and it's not like anyone but Gabbert has separated himself from the pack that it's not inconceivable to think that Cam will go in the 1st round and the fact that you're treating him not going in the 1st round as a fact is a bit ridiculous.

So you are basing your opinion on mock drafts? Now that in itself is a bit ridiculous. Any asshole can put up a mock draft and stick by it but I choose to research the opinions of those what actually report to the people who actually draft the players.

Cam Newton is a project quarterback, something everyone agrees with, but yet there's people who want to argue that a team like Arizona or Minnesota will completely disregard all other needs and other QB's better suited to run an NFL offense & make a faster impact....in the 1st round.....in favor of Cam Newton.

We'll see, that's all I can really say at this point. It's obvious that people are still at awe over what Cam Newton did in the SEC & they cannot understand the concepts of: big, fast, mobile QB's have already come & gone in the nfl and the Akili Smith comparison Kam mentioned, is pretty accurate and going to be weighing over Newton's name on draft day. Hop off the Cam Newton bandwagon, wake the hell up, realize that he's a black Tim Tebow, minus the religious schtick, and he won't fare any better in the NFL/

 

[Hurricane Season]

I'm hoping and praying against all logic that somehow the Vikings take Newton at 12. The meltdown would be nothing short of epic. :rotfl:

 

[Elite]

I'm not talking about a mock by this random Joe Schmoe, I'm talking about the ones made by people who get paid to give their opinions on it. There's a reason why Kiper dropped Locker AND Mallet off his big board and Cam is still there. I'm going to guarantee that Kiper, despite not being the most intelligent guy out there, knows a hell of a lot more than you do about these draft prospects considering he's probably spent countless hours watching film of these guys. There have been plenty of project QBs go in the first round and someone with as much as upside as Cam Newton has is foolish to think he won't be a 1st round pick.

EDIT: Not sure why but Jake Locker is still on his big board, it said on SportsCenter today that he's been dropped.

 

[kam.]

I can't stand Cam Newton though...he's the biggest cock munch I've seen come out of college in years, and he can eat a bag of dicks for all I care.

Now when you say a bag of dicks, do you mean like him just eat a bag of dicks at once, or there be a big back of dicks, and he just takes one and eats it one by one.. or just maybe eat the paper or plastic all together.

 

[kam.]

I'm not talking about a mock by this random Joe Schmoe, I'm talking about the ones made by people who get paid to give their opinions on it. There's a reason why Kiper dropped Locker AND Mallet off his big board and Cam is still there. I'm going to guarantee that Kiper, despite not being the most intelligent guy out there, knows a hell of a lot more than you do about these draft prospects considering he's probably spent countless hours watching film of these guys. There have been plenty of project QBs go in the first round and someone with as much as upside as Cam Newton has is foolish to think he won't be a 1st round pick.

EDIT: Not sure why but Jake Locker is still on his big board, it said on SportsCenter today that he's been dropped.

Kiper had Jevan Snead on his big board till about Feb of last year.

HE KNOWS NOTHING.
He gets paid, because ESPN are dumbasses.

 

[Elite]

Yeah but Jevan Snead was actually good for a year, kinda like the Locker situation.

 

[A.E]

Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton, of Auburn and Westlake High, needs to stay in college and work on his God awful mechanics, according to Russ Lande, a former NFL Scout, who heads the War Room for the Sporting News.

At a listed 6-6 and 250 pounds, Newton compares physically with former Arkansas quarterback Matt Jones. Jones was dubbed the Freak at the NFL Combine after posting a 4.40 forty while measuring 6-6 and 242 pounds. Jones was drafted in the first round by the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2005.

Overall Newton is an intriguing prospect. He will be a project for whatever teams eventually drafts him. Personally given the amount of work that’s going to have to go into him, as well as the potential character risk, I wouldn’t touch him before the second round.

I asked a handful of scouts about this workout. All were mystified as to what gains could be made with what one front officie executive termed a "publicity stunt."

One high level scout put it this way:

"The Newtons would be best to realize they aren't in college anymore. Regardless of how good he looks for [the media], there isn't going to be a bidding war for him. We're not recruiting him. They could wind up turning more people against them than for them with this [workout]."

The first question I have about his game is his footwork. Newton rarely lines up under center, and when he does, the play is most often a handoff to a running back. He spends most of his time running the option and will have to work hard on dropping back from under center.

Newton's footwork development will be even more difficult because he will be forced to make much more complicated passing reads and decisions in the NFL. Right now, he frequently sees opposing defenses in one-high safety looks or even with no safety deep in order to get a numbers advantage against the run, but even then, Newton sometimes struggles to read the defense.


In the end, if I were working for an NFL team, I would not put a first-round grade on Newton. He is simply too much of a developmental project in terms of passing skills and comes with too much character baggage for my liking.

“There are some red flags with him,’’ the scouting director said. “That whole deal with his dad and Mississippi State and saying he had no idea? Something doesn’t add up with that.’’

 

[kam.]

Yeah but Jevan Snead was actually good for a year, kinda like the Locker situation.

No, Snead was good in 2008/09.. he Bummed in 09/10. Locker had a good 09 and a decent/good 2010.