2010 NBA Finals Thread

[$tunna]

It's true lol I've seen everybody argue for the past 3 years and everyone always keeps their own opinion haha

but it is entertaining to debate tho haha

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Andrew Bogut, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, David Lee, Brook Lopez, Yao Ming (Healthy)

According to ESPN, all Centers. According to me, all better than Andrew Bynum.

 

[The Young One]

Drew is a top 5 center to me. Yall dont have to agree with me. Just my opinion.

He's held his own with a lot of guys.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

But who on that list is he better than?

 

[The Young One]

It's just a matter of opinion. I dont see all those guys as centers. You do...conflicting opinions.

Mine isnt gonna change and most likely yours wont either. No point

 

[elcheato]

Well they play center so they are centers..

 

[The Young One]

All a matter of opinion.... drop it my opinion isnt gonna be changed.

 

[Whisper]

What the hell, they play center, so they are centers? Lamar Odom plays point sometimes, does that make him a PG? Rashard Lewis is parading around at the PF position in Orlando, yet does anyone consider him an actual PF? Ha..ha..ha... No way in hell is David Lee or Horford a center. Dirk played a lot of center this season for Dallas, is he a center too? Carlos Boozer played center when Okur went down and whenever Milsap came into the game, I guess he's one too since they move him up there a lot of the time. I guess Ama're is one too since he played it before Robin Lopez's coming out, and since he was voted into the All-Star game as one.

"Andrew Bogut, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, David Lee, Brook Lopez, Yao Ming"

Only real centers out of this list are Bogut, Howard, Kaman, Yao, and Lopez. The others are just PFs parading around as Cs because the position absolutely sucks nowadays. Bogut, Howard, Yao, and Lopez I'd put above Bynum. I'm almost inclined to put Kaman above Bynum too, but Kaman's not really that efficient & Bynum owns him every time they meet. So for me, Bynum's top 5.

You guys want to throw Yao Ming in there when he's healthy when health is why you guys are bringing Bynum down. Let's forget that before Pau Gasol and Bynum's first injury that he was averaging 17 and 12 on 60% shooting the month he went down. Nevermind that he averaged 15 and 8 next to Gasol and that his numbers jumps to around 20 and 10 when Gasol is out because apparently none of that matters. Bynum's been playing through injury, but he has been great when he's healthy. That's about his only problem.

So Yao when healthy is on the list, why isn't a healthy Bynum on there?

 

[The Young One]

Holy <Censored>...a rik sighting.

 

[cruzg24]

Cuz Yao is a lot better than Bynum. Nene and Horford play center as their regular position for their respective teams so they are Centers whether they dont exactly fit the bill as a true center.

 

[playmaker7]

What the hell, they play center, so they are centers? Lamar Odom plays point sometimes, does that make him a PG? Rashard Lewis is parading around at the PF position in Orlando, yet does anyone consider him an actual PF? Ha..ha..ha... No way in hell is David Lee or Horford a center. Dirk played a lot of center this season for Dallas, is he a center too? Carlos Boozer played center when Okur went down and whenever Milsap came into the game, I guess he's one too since they move him up there a lot of the time. I guess Ama're is one too since he played it before Robin Lopez's coming out, and since he was voted into the All-Star game as one.

"Andrew Bogut, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, David Lee, Brook Lopez, Yao Ming"

Only real centers out of this list are Bogut, Howard, Kaman, Yao, and Lopez. The others are just PFs parading around as Cs because the position absolutely sucks nowadays. Bogut, Howard, Yao, and Lopez I'd put above Bynum. I'm almost inclined to put Kaman above Bynum too, but Kaman's not really that efficient & Bynum owns him every time they meet. So for me, Bynum's top 5.

You guys want to throw Yao Ming in there when he's healthy when health is why you guys are bringing Bynum down. Let's forget that before Pau Gasol and Bynum's first injury that he was averaging 17 and 12 on 60% shooting the month he went down. Nevermind that he averaged 15 and 8 next to Gasol and that his numbers jumps to around 20 and 10 when Gasol is out because apparently none of that matters. Bynum's been playing through injury, but he has been great when he's healthy. That's about his only problem.

So Yao when healthy is on the list, why isn't a healthy Bynum on there?

Emptying the clip dude...

Well played

 

[elcheato]

What the hell, they play center, so they are centers? Lamar Odom plays point sometimes, does that make him a PG? Rashard Lewis is parading around at the PF position in Orlando, yet does anyone consider him an actual PF? Ha..ha..ha... No way in hell is David Lee or Horford a center. Dirk played a lot of center this season for Dallas, is he a center too? Carlos Boozer played center when Okur went down and whenever Milsap came into the game, I guess he's one too since they move him up there a lot of the time. I guess Ama're is one too since he played it before Robin Lopez's coming out, and since he was voted into the All-Star game as one.

"Andrew Bogut, Tim Duncan, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, David Lee, Brook Lopez, Yao Ming"

Only real centers out of this list are Bogut, Howard, Kaman, Yao, and Lopez. The others are just PFs parading around as Cs because the position absolutely sucks nowadays. Bogut, Howard, Yao, and Lopez I'd put above Bynum. I'm almost inclined to put Kaman above Bynum too, but Kaman's not really that efficient & Bynum owns him every time they meet. So for me, Bynum's top 5.

You guys want to throw Yao Ming in there when he's healthy when health is why you guys are bringing Bynum down. Let's forget that before Pau Gasol and Bynum's first injury that he was averaging 17 and 12 on 60% shooting the month he went down. Nevermind that he averaged 15 and 8 next to Gasol and that his numbers jumps to around 20 and 10 when Gasol is out because apparently none of that matters. Bynum's been playing through injury, but he has been great when he's healthy. That's about his only problem.

So Yao when healthy is on the list, why isn't a healthy Bynum on there?

I was only arguing Duncan and he is their starting C, he has the size to do it and played it.. Antonio McDyess was not their Center. And yes Rashard Lewis is a PF, thats where he starts 82 games a year for the Magic. He's too slow to play SF anyway. Kaman is a better player.. He can do more things and puts up the better numbers. And you can't say anything about the playoffs since Bynum always sucks in the playoffs.

And who said Bynum was off the list because he isn't healthy? I said he wouldn't be a 20/10 type player like some people think for some reason on a team like the Raptors.. And I said he has injury problems, never said it hurts him as a top center..

 

[Whisper]

I was only arguing Duncan and he is their starting C, he has the size to do it and played it.. Antonio McDyess was not their Center. And yes Rashard Lewis is a PF, thats where he starts 82 games a year for the Magic. He's too slow to play SF anyway. Kaman is a better player.. He can do more things and puts up the better numbers. And you can't say anything about the playoffs since Bynum always sucks in the playoffs.

And who said Bynum was off the list because he isn't healthy? I said he wouldn't be a 20/10 type player like some people think for some reason on a team like the Raptors.. And I said he has injury problems, never said it hurts him as a top center..

Well for Lewis, I guess you could make the argument that in a system like SVG is using, that Lewis is a PF in that system, so yeah I guess so. Conventionally I wouldn't say Lewis is a PF though. Lewis is faster than Artest, but Artest is playing SF But as for most other guys mentioned, by depth chart and requirement guys like Duncan, Nene, and Horford play center, but that doesn't mean that that's what they are. Regardless of where they are on the depth chart, they're not going to become something they're not just because they have to play the position. Duncan has even said himself that he doesn't like playing center that he likes being at the PF spot more.

Anyway why wouldnt Bynum do 20/10 on a team like the Raptors? They have the shooters & a talented enough offense to keep defenses honesty and let Bynum do his work down low. Maybe not 20/10, but he'd be a more than solid double-double guy in the least which is saying a lot more when compared to other true centers in the league. Many teams would love to have Bynum around. You like to argue that Lebron is better than Kobe because size and speed is part of the game, while Bynum isn't as skilled as Kaman, he has superior length and size which he doesn't just have, he knows how to use it, and even with a bum knee, AB is more explosive than Kaman ever will be. That's what bumps him up for me. He's a smart kid that has only shown progression whenever he's healthy. And like I said, that's his only problem, hopefully after this offseason's surgery he can stay more healthy than he has been over the years.

And lol... the more I think about it the more funny this discussion is because just a decade or two ago, the league was filled & dominated with talented & serviceable Cs. Now we're trying to argue about Center rankings in the most watered down position in the league.

 

[The Young One]

So rik is just gonna act like sammy d....doesnt put in work.

 

[elcheato]

Well for Lewis, I guess you could make the argument that in a system like SVG is using, that Lewis is a PF in that system, so yeah I guess so. Conventionally I wouldn't say Lewis is a PF though. Lewis is faster than Artest, but Artest is playing SF But as for most other guys mentioned, by depth chart and requirement guys like Duncan, Nene, and Horford play center, but that doesn't mean that that's what they are. Regardless of where they are on the depth chart, they're not going to become something they're not just because they have to play the position. Duncan has even said himself that he doesn't like playing center that he likes being at the PF spot more.

Anyway why wouldnt Bynum do 20/10 on a team like the Raptors? They have the shooters & a talented enough offense to keep defenses honesty and let Bynum do his work down low. Maybe not 20/10, but he'd be a more than solid double-double guy in the least which is saying a lot more when compared to other true centers in the league. Many teams would love to have Bynum around. You like to argue that Lebron is better than Kobe because size and speed is part of the game, while Bynum isn't as skilled as Kaman, he has superior length and size which he doesn't just have, he knows how to use it, and even with a bum knee, AB is more explosive than Kaman ever will be. That's what bumps him up for me. He's a smart kid that has only shown progression whenever he's healthy. And like I said, that's his only problem, hopefully after this offseason's surgery he can stay more healthy than he has been over the years.

And lol... the more I think about it the more funny this discussion is because just a decade or two ago, the league was filled & dominated with talented & serviceable Cs. Now we're trying to argue about Center rankings in the most watered down position in the league.

Well the difference is Rashard Lewis is 6'10, so he can play PF and does. I don't know how many teams would use him at SF to be honest at this stage in his career. But we wont know for a while since he is tremendously overpaid. You guys can say those guys aren't Centers, but the truth is they are Centers. They play there and they cover other Centers. And Timmy may want to be a PF but right now he is a Center. He has the size and defensive talent to be a center as well.

I just don't see it.. He is never doubled right now in LA because of all the talent around him. You would assume if he goes to Toronto he would start seeing double teams. And lets be realistic, they don't really have that much talent.. Bargnani can shoot and I guess Calderon, but they don't have any other shooters outside of those 2. People will double off of Derozan, Weems, etc... and even Hedo if he's still around. And any of his open dunks he gets right now would pretty much be gone on Toronto. I argue LeBron is better then Kobe and some of that does have to do with it, but he also puts up the numbers to say he is better. Even though now I question if LeBron is even better after his performance in the playoffs this year. Bynum doesn't when it comes to Kaman. I realize Bynum is on the better team but Kaman has enough skill to put up the numbers Bynum does on LA. Most teams would love to have Bynum, I would love to have him on the Cavs.. But I still think there are 6 Centers better then him and he's not top 5.

and yea I mentioned that earlier, Center is the least deep position in the NBA.

 

[Whisper]

Meh, I think I saw it in the thread earlier. Let's just agree to disagree lol

and TYO, Daly? Serious? Good 10/10 guy, but he ain't in this conversation hahah Like almost every other center, he's more D' than anything else. His O' sucks.

 

[elcheato]

I think he's joking, but I don't know why. No one mentioned a center like Dalembert. I guess Noah is kind of in that group, but I don't know why he would even be mentioned.

 

[The Young One]

It's a inside joke...rik always hates on my guys like jrue, bassy.

 

[elcheato]

Telfair is an all-star next year for sure

 

[The Young One]

Telfair is an all-star next year for sure

I was reading some cavs blog and they were talking about he's gonna be your backup pg next year if you trade delonte....So what will happen to boobie