Josh Howard admits to smoking marijuana

[jarrod2323]

I don't know where you're getting your information, but 65% off the drugs, including marijuana are NOT home grown.. that's a false statement.

and just because you (one person) has not tried harder drugs doesn't mean that marijuana is not addictive and a gateway to other drugs.

doesn't kill anyone?

It is a PROVEN by science that it's addictive and that in a majority of the cases, it DOES lead to other drugs.

Currently, over 24,000 people die per annum from drug-induced causes, and an approximately 60,000 die from drug-induced and drug related causes. 9.4% of the adult population is drug or alcohol dependent; over 5 million Americans are raising their grandchildren; approximately one-third of high school students use alcohol and drugs regularly; and on the average, states spent $81.3 billion on substance abuse,

Want more why marijuana is bad?

Marijuana stifles motivation; retards the maturation process; adversely affects short term memory and one?s ability to learn; enhances the onset of mental illness; is very high in cancer causing agents; adversely affects reproductive organs and has a multitude of other negative physiological effects. The scientific explanations for the effect of marijuana include the following:

• Marijuana causes changes in brain chemistry, by hindering the neurotransmitter chemical that triggers various signals throughout the nervous system.
• Marijuana alters mood and behavior. It leads to difficulty in concentration, attention to detail and learning. It also impairs true perception as well as short term memory. Recent studies suggest that what people learn while they are using marijuana is forgotten when the person is not using marijuana.
• Marijuana increases the work of the heart. The changes in heart rate and blood pressure are the same as those found in a person under high stress.
• Marijuana is much higher in tar and carcinogens, and is much more detrimental to the lungs, than tobacco. It has a much more adverse affect on the upper airways (i.e. sinuses and larynx) and can cause lung, head and neck cancer.
• Marijuana decreases blood flow to the limbs, which in extreme cases may require amputation.
• Marijuana reduces the number and quality of sperm and may damage their mobility, thus adversely affecting fertility.
• Marijuana is a carcinogen and adversely affects the immune system. (Which should be of concern to an AIDS patient.)
• Marijuana stays in one?s system for up to thirty days, and is a contributing factor to many vehicular accidents caused by drugged driving

The consensus is that if the harder stuff becomes available, that those who smoke marijuana are highly more likely to try than those who don't smoke marijuana.. "Well, I've tried this, why not try this since it's free" comes to mind

I'm not debating on which is worse -- I'm debating on why Marijuana is just stupid and ILLEGAL -- to each his own..

and to close once again:

to me, it's just weak-minded people who can't clear their heads or deal with reality in a normal way

 

[JoshHoward5]

I don't know where you're getting your information, but 65% off the drugs, including marijuana are NOT home grown.. that's a false statement.

and just because you (one person) has not tried harder drugs doesn't mean that marijuana is not addictive and a gateway to other drugs.

doesn't kill anyone?

It is a PROVEN by science that it's addictive and that in a majority of the cases, it DOES lead to other drugs.


Want more why marijuana is bad?


The consensus is that if the harder stuff becomes available, that those who smoke marijuana are highly more likely to try than those who don't smoke marijuana.. "Well, I've tried this, why not try this since it's free" comes to mind

I'm not debating on which is worse -- I'm debating on why Marijuana is just stupid and ILLEGAL -- to each his own..

and to close once again:

Yeah 65% of the drugs are not home grown, but thats because stuff like Crack and Herion come from foreign countries. More then half of that 45% that is homegrown. And when I say homegrown, I mean most of it is grown in the United States. One of the most popular strains in America is called California Cronic. CALIFORNIA.

Also if it is legalized wouldn't that stop us giving money to gangs and terriost? If it was legalized we could go to a store and buy the stuff that they grow. Most casual smokers would rather go to a store then a shady character that they barley know.

Also the first quote is about drugs period, and Pot should never be considered on the same level as Coke/Herion/Date Rape drugs. That <Censored> can DIRECTLY kill you. You can overdose on that, you can't overdose on marijuana.

Also for the part about not remembering what you learned high, is just absoultly retarded. Anyone that has gotten high knows that is aboustly bull.

Also in the movie Super High Me, (A movie where Doug Benson doesn't smoke for 30 days, then smokes all day for 30 days after that) they made him do test during both of those 30 days. During the 30 days he was high he scored better in the SAT, and had a higer sperm count.

With pot you can find reports on it being this horrible drug, and you can find reports on it being not that bad, and less affective then Alcohol (which it is), and Tobacco. The only reason it isn't legal is because of some propaganda in the 1930's.

Also isn't Alcohol a way "weak-minded people who can't clear their heads or deal with reality in a normal way" get out of reality?

Also there is a reason you see more Alcoholics in rehab then people who are "addicted" to pot. Pot isn't addictive, you just get high for fun.

 

[jarrod2323]

"high for fun" - another aspect of being weak-minded or like sheep...

not remembering everything.. you remember basics, but not all details.. like the isolated instance of one man, numerous reports say that he's just an anomally

marijuana isn't legal because FDA cannot approve something that has millions of different variations. if there was a true LONE variation, it could be, but because morons try different seeds, nutrients, etc, it will NEVER be legalized.
also, you think if it was legalized, that the Tobacco market would not take control and ruin it like they have cigarettes

Reason more alkies in rehab instead of stoners is cuz alcohol is LEGAL, and they're not shunned as much as druggies are.

alcohol can be consumed for taste, legally, not causing long term effects.. smoke marijuana once and you kill brain cells immediately.

neither in excess are acceptable IMO, but something that stays in your system for 30 days versus something that is pissed out within a couple? lemme think which sounds worse

 

[JoshHoward5]

"high for fun" - another aspect of being weak-minded or like sheep...

not remembering everything.. you remember basics, but not all details.. like the isolated instance of one man, numerous reports say that he's just an anomally

marijuana isn't legal because FDA cannot approve something that has millions of different variations. if there was a true LONE variation, it could be, but because morons try different seeds, nutrients, etc, it will NEVER be legalized.
also, you think if it was legalized, that the Tobacco market would not take control and ruin it like they have cigarettes

Reason more alkies in rehab instead of stoners is cuz alcohol is LEGAL, and they're not shunned as much as druggies are.

alcohol can be consumed for taste, legally, not causing long term effects.. smoke marijuana once and you kill brain cells immediately.

neither in excess are acceptable IMO, but something that stays in your system for 30 days versus something that is pissed out within a couple? lemme think which sounds worse

What about getting hammered for fun? People are just like sheep with Alcohol drinking what the people on TV tell them what to drink.

Also there is so many different kinds of Alcoholic drinks, yet it's legal. The different strains of Marijuana are just like Alcohol, it can get more potent but it does the same thing.

There are more Coke heads, and Herion addicts in rehab then pot users. Anyone that has a problem with a drug and want to fix it and need help go to rehab. At that point people aren't going to care if people that are in the same place as them know that what they use is illegal. It just has to do with the fact that Marijuana doesn't have addictive properites like stuff like Coke/Herion/Alcohol and even Tobbacco.

 

[jarrod2323]

No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties.

from Brown university:

Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users. Therefore, the more one uses, the more they require to get "high" - a sign of true addiction.

For a small percentage of people who use it, marijuana can be highly addictive. It is estimated that 10% to 14% of users will become heavily dependent. More than 120,000 people in the US seek treatment for marijuana addiction every year. Cultural and societal beliefs that marijuana cannot be addictive make it less likely for people to seek help or to get support for quitting, resulting in even more estranged addiction.

 

[playmaker7]

Interesting debate goin on here. Both have some good points.

All I got to say is that I have a friend who literally smoked himself stupid cuz thats all he would do for fun, smoke and rap. Also, I believe drinking can be more harmful to your body in the short and longterm but weed slowly harms your body. Thats all I gotta say on this. I wanna see this continue

 

[DJT]

Funny how JH5 is arguing that alcohol is just as bad as marijuana, but dropped the whole marijuana isn't bad thing.

And JH5 if you don't think its addictive at all, prove it to us, and don't smoke it for a long time. (without having an urge)

 

[playmaker7]

Funny how JH5 is arguing that alcohol is just as bad as marijuana, but dropped the whole marijuana isn't bad thing.

And JH5 if you don't think its addictive at all, prove it to us, and don't smoke it for a long time. (without having an urge)

I really don't believe its that addictive cuz from what I've learned, it doesn't have any addictive substances in it does it? I think the stuff that people lace it with makes it addictive

 

[DJT]

And the whole high factor...people just "loooove" getting high, so they keep doing it, and find ways to stay high longer....etc. Thats probably the most addictive thing.

 

[The Guid]

And the whole high factor...people just "loooove" getting high, so they keep doing it, and find ways to stay high longer....etc. Thats probably the most addictive thing.

Don't people like getting buzzed...or even drunk?

 

[DJT]

Don't people like getting buzzed...or even drunk?

Yea, I think so.

 

[JoshHoward5]

Funny how JH5 is arguing that alcohol is just as bad as marijuana, but dropped the whole marijuana isn't bad thing.

And JH5 if you don't think its addictive at all, prove it to us, and don't smoke it for a long time. (without having an urge)

Marijuana isn't good for your body, and no one will tell you that. It does have some medical purposes, but no one in the world would say it doesn't have some effects. But it doesn't have to good for you to be legal. I just want it legal, I don't care what people really think about it, only if it's legal. So you make the comparison to Alcohol which is legal, and will most likely never be made illegal again.

Also I'm pretty sure that I could go a while without. I haven't smoked since the 20th (Did get some what of a contact high on Sunday from these chicks sitting in front of me at a concert, but that doesn't do much). I haven't had an urge, and nothing like shakes or downward spirals have happened.

 

[utexas1007]

What you talkin bout Chad? We smoked at Edge Fest.

By the way, I'd like to say that everything Chad is saying in this debate is correct and and Jarrod really doesn't know what he's talking about, no offense Jarrod. Go smoke a joint.

You don't get addicted to weed. You get addicted to the high. Marijuana has never, ever killed someone. Deny that all you want, but it's the complete truth. It's legal in 12 (11 right now, but Michigan's having a hearing in November) states as a medicine, so there's gotta be something good about it, right? Correct. Most of the time, if someone goes to rehab for pot, it's because people in their life think they're addicted to it.

Weed should be legal. By the way, Jarrod, you're saying that will never be legalized, but you should read this.

from House.com (http://www.house.gov/frank/marijuana041708.html)

Congressman, 4th District, Massachusetts
2252 Rayburn Building · Washington, D.C. 20515 · (202) 225-5931



April 17, 2008

FRANK INTRODUCES LEGISLATION TO REMOVE FEDERAL PENALTIES ON PERSONAL MARIJUANA USE

Congressman Also Files Bill Permitting Medical Use of Marijuana in States that Choose to Allow it with Doctor’s Recommendation

Congressman Barney Frank today introduced bi-partisan legislation aimed at removing federal restrictions on the individual use of marijuana (HR 5843). One bill would remove federal penalties for the personal use of marijuana, and the other (HR 5842) – versions of which Frank has filed in several preceding sessions of Congress – would allow the medical use of marijuana in states that have chosen to make its use for medical purposes legal with a doctor’s recommendation. Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) joined Frank as a cosponsor of the federal penalties bill. The cosponsors of the medical marijuana bill are Rep. Paul, along with Reps. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), and Sam Farr (D-CA).

Congressman Frank released the following statement explaining the legislation.

“I think it is poor law enforcement to keep on the books legislation that establishes as a crime something which in fact society does not seriously wish to prosecute. In my view, having federal law enforcement agents engaged in the prosecution of people who are personally using marijuana is a waste of scarce resources better used for serious crimes. In fact, this type of prosecution often meets with public disapproval. The most frequent recent examples have been federal prosecutions of individuals using marijuana for medical purposes in states that have voted – usually by public referenda – to allow such use. Because current federal law has been interpreted as superseding state law in this area, most states that have made medical use of marijuana legal have been unable to actually implement their laws.

"When doctors recommend the use of marijuana for their patients and states are willing to permit it, I think it’s wrong for the federal government to subject either the doctors or the patients to criminal prosecution. More broadly speaking, the norm in America is for the states to decide whether particular behaviors should be made criminal. To make the smoking of marijuana, whether for medical purposes or not, one of those extremely rare instances of federal crime – literally, to make a ‘federal case’ out of it – is wholly disproportionate to the activity involved. We do not have federal criminal prohibitions against drinking alcoholic beverages, and there are generally no criminal penalties for the use of tobacco at the state and federal levels for adults. There is no rational argument for treating marijuana so differently from these other substances.”

“To those who say that the government should not be encouraging the smoking of marijuana, my response is that I completely agree. But it is a great mistake to divide all human activity into two categories: those that are criminally prohibited, and those that are encouraged. In a free society, there must be a very considerable zone of activity between those two poles in which people are allowed to make their own choices as long as they are not impinging on the rights, freedom, or property of others. I believe it is important with regard to tobacco, marijuana and alcohol, among other things, that we strictly regulate the age at which people may use these substances. And, enforcement of age restrictions should be firm. But, criminalizing choices that adults make because we think they are unwise ones, when the choices involved have no negative effect on the rights of others, is not appropriate in a free society.”

“If the laws I am proposing pass, states will still be free to treat marijuana as they wish. But I do not believe that the federal government should treat adults who choose to smoke marijuana as criminals. Federal law enforcement is a serious business, and we should be concentrating our efforts in this regard on measures that truly protect the public.”

 

[WHO-DEY-BENGALS_18]

to me, it's just weak-minded people who can't clear their heads or deal with reality in a normal way

You nailed that one!

 

[VC15]

Why would you bump a 4 month old topic?

 

[Pugz]

Why would you bump a 4 month old topic?

I was going to sayy that, but I figured someone else would cover it for me lol.

I can undersatnd bumping a old topic if your adding more news to it, putting your two cetns in too. But bumping a topic this old just to say you hit the nail on the head or wahtever. Come on guy, your on other sites, you know better.

 

[JoshHoward5]

Seth Rogen put it best in Pineapple Express.

"It makes everything better. It makes music better, it makes food better, it makes sex feel better. I mean it makes crappy movies better."