Nets in three-way talks for Kidd

[DJT]

Harris would help them, but keeping those 3 would help more...

Jack doesn't get 4 points, I said he gets 9... Outlaw gets 12 or 13. Frye gets 7 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes.

Jack in his last 6 games hasn't scored over 6 points.

Frye's last 14 games, he's scored over 10 points TWICE.

And Greg they are looking to get Diop or Bass.

 

[MapleLeaf]

<Censored>ing Avery Johnson, maybe he just doesn't want a point guard who was better then him on his team because he likes being a teacher?

 

[dez]

WOW! Dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. HARRIS WILL START!!!!! Whos gonna start over him???? Blake??? No. Rodriguez??? No. Webster???? Nope. Harris will start.

Really? are you sure you wanna come at me like that?

ATTN: TO ALL THE IDIOTS WHO THINK DEVIN HARRIS IS A POINT GUARD.

Heres an update for you, the mavs had made up in their mind that Harris was going to take over for Terry so the move Harris to point and Terry to the bench......

funny how they wanna trade him now.......

so what does that mean? (since you may be a little slow, I answer it for you)

the Mavs have FINALLY realized Harris isnt a PG and CANT play the position effectively enough to help them contend for a championship. So what makes you think he will start at point for the Blazers when Blake or Fernandez are actually pg's?

Harris is what they calla combo guard he plays like a SG but is undersized and SHOULD be a PG. He would be perfect off the bench and get about 25-28 MPG.

He WONT start if traded there.

 

[DJT]

Really? are you sure you wanna come at me like that?

ATTN: TO ALL THE IDIOTS WHO THINK DEVIN HARRIS IS A POINT GUARD.

Heres an update for you, the mavs had made up in their mind that Harris was going to take over for Terry so the move Harris to point and Terry to the bench......

funny how they wanna trade him now.......

so what does that mean? (since you may be a little slow, I answer it for you)

the Mavs have FINALLY realized Harris isnt a PG and CANT play the position effectively enough to help them contend for a championship. So what makes you think he will start at point for the Blazers when Blake or Fernandez are actually pg's?

Harris is what they calla combo guard he plays like a SG but is undersized and SHOULD be a PG. He would be perfect off the bench and get about 25-28 MPG.

He WONT start if traded there.

Wow.....your not reading very much. DALLAS DOESN'T WANT TO TRADE HIM. They want Harris there, but they know Kidd is the better PG now.....you really need to read stuff more.

 

[Big Bid'Ness]

From:RealGm & The New York Post

Cuban Willing To Offer Kidd $20M Extension

February 1, 2008 -- AS widely reported, the Mavericks are the most interested Jason KiddJason Kidd suitor. The reverse is true, as well. Aside from Dallas being a legitimate championship contender as currently comprised (a prerequisite), a source close to agent Jeff Schwartz claims Mark Cuban would be willing to give Kidd the one-year, $20 million extension (for 2009-2010) he was unable to get from the NetsNew Jersey Nets .

At the same time, trade talk between the two teams has been brief. "Some ideas have been exchanged," according to someone in the know, "but nothing is close."

Not with Dallas. Not with any team.

"They want what we don't want to give up," reports a Mavericks hall monitor.

That's true at the outset of every trade negotiation, of course. If a team wants a player or wants to get rid of a player badly enough, the compromising part comes later. In this case, it could turn out to be sooner.

Except for one fundamental problem that may prove insurmountable.

"We don't have any huge bad contracts to give up," the Dallas source explained. "So it's going to take six players just to equal Kidd's ($19,728 million) salary. "We can't give up half our roster to do a deal and they can't free up enough roster slots."

The Nets are attempting to include a third team. The Blazers already rebuffed a couple scenarios that made no sense to them or the Mavs, only to New Jersey. Should a third team materialize and it's agreeable to doing something that's fair for all sides, "it's still hard," the Dallas source underlined.

Unfair deals are much easier to make and there tend to be many more of 'em. You don't need a source to know the Nets have plenty of that variety on their wobbly table.

In these types of troubled situations (Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Ron Artest, Shaquille O'Neal and on and on), where players make trade demands and it gets out in public - thus depreciating their value and damaging trade leverage - there is never a shortage of teams looking to commandeer an asset.

Logic dictates the Nets' best course of action is to hold tight and pray that two or more title contenders, preferably in the same conference, conclude that the addition of Kidd will put 'em over the top.

"You don't want to make a bad deal," a Nets source stressed.

Meanwhile, the Feb. 21 trade deadline is but three weeks away.

believe bad offers are the best the NetsNew Jersey Nets are going to get. I believe they're better off without their ingrate point guard. He's a lousy leader. He's an offensive liability. He has contaminated the team. He's making costly mistakes at the end of games. And he's owed $21.3M next season.

"People are blinded by his triple doubles," said a respected member of the Nets franchise. "They fail to see he has become a high-priced role player."

In other words, the Nets should take what they can get while they can get it, as long as they don't have to take back compost contracts. Then they should fumigate their arena.

 

[MapleLeaf]

=)

If Avery will shutup about not wanting to get this deal done then Mark can do it. Avery is just afraid, he doesn't want a point guard who was better then him.

=O

 

[DJT]

Really? are you sure you wanna come at me like that?

ATTN: TO ALL THE IDIOTS WHO THINK DEVIN HARRIS IS A POINT GUARD.

Heres an update for you, the mavs had made up in their mind that Harris was going to take over for Terry so the move Harris to point and Terry to the bench......

funny how they wanna trade him now.......

so what does that mean? (since you may be a little slow, I answer it for you)

the Mavs have FINALLY realized Harris isnt a PG and CANT play the position effectively enough to help them contend for a championship. So what makes you think he will start at point for the Blazers when Blake or Fernandez are actually pg's?

Harris is what they calla combo guard he plays like a SG but is undersized and SHOULD be a PG. He would be perfect off the bench and get about 25-28 MPG.

He WONT start if traded there.

"They want what we don't want to give up," reports a Mavericks hall monitor.

See, also in other articles Cuban and Avery don't want to give up Harris either.

Dude I have no idea how you think he won't start.....there is no way Portland would not start him. I'll bet you anything on that.....anything.

 

[dez]

See, also in other articles Cuban and Avery don't want to give up Harris either.

Dude I have no idea how you think he won't start.....there is no way Portland would not start him. I'll bet you anything on that.....anything.

Off hand, but you still dont seem to get it.

If the Mavs thought Harris was good enough to lead them at point to a championship they wouldnt even think about trading him, if they wanna pull the trigger or not. If they werent THINKING about doing it, it wouldnt even have been reported now would it?

And about him starting in Portland, he isnt going to start over Blake who is a true pg, or Fernandez who is the reigning MVP overseas, he sure as hell isnt going to start over Roy...like I said he'ss be a highly used 6th man.

 

[DJT]

Off hand, but you still dont seem to get it.

If the Mavs thought Harris was good enough to lead them at point to a championship they wouldnt even think about trading him, if they wanna pull the trigger or not. If they werent THINKING about doing it, it wouldnt even have been reported now would it?

And about him starting in Portland, he isnt going to start over Blake who is a true pg, or Fernandez who is the reigning MVP overseas, he sure as hell isnt going to start over Roy...like I said he'ss be a highly used 6th man.

Harris would start over Blake...true PG or not. Whos saying that he's gonna start over Roy????? Roy is the SG, Harris would be the PG. But Portland doesn't want to trade Outlaw, and the Mavs don't want to trade Harris. Now they are thinking about pulling the trigger on this because Kidd is the better PG RIGHT NOW, and he would give them the best chance at winning a championship this season, but 5 or 6 years down the road, Harris will still be around, Kidd won't. So sure Kidd gives them the stuff now, but Harris will in the future (but not in the same way as Kidd)

 

[dez]

Harris would start over Blake...true PG or not. Whos saying that he's gonna start over Roy????? Roy is the SG, Harris would be the PG. But Portland doesn't want to trade Outlaw, and the Mavs don't want to trade Harris. Now they are thinking about pulling the trigger on this because Kidd is the better PG RIGHT NOW, and he would give them the best chance at winning a championship this season, but 5 or 6 years down the road, Harris will still be around, Kidd won't. So sure Kidd gives them the stuff now, but Harris will in the future (but not in the same way as Kidd)

OMG.

you need to read:

Harris is what they calla combo guard he plays like a SG but is undersized and SHOULD be a PG. He would be perfect off the bench and get about 25-28 MPG.

he isnt a PG, if the Mavs could co-exist with him at starting Sg they would but as the playoffs showed last year that can't happen. Their underachieving this year and they need to make moves now.

As for Kidd being the better PG right now.....DUH......but if they thought Harris would EVER get it done then they STILL WOULDNT TRADE HIM, its not like the Mavs top players are on the downslide of their careers....

 

[VC3]

LMAO. 2nd day in a row DJT is picking fights for no reason.

 

[DJT]

I know Harris is a combo gaurd.....that doesn't mean he won't be an effective PG. All he would need to do in Portland is drive to the lane and dish it out to an open Roy or someone, and occasionaly hit open shots....and he can do both of those things.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I'll chime in since I watch the Mavericks every single this minute. Besides Barbosa, there is no player as quick as Devin Harris to the hoop. His first step is amazing. He needs to work on his jumper although it has improved a ton over the years, still struggles big time with contested shots. But whenever he gets to the hoop, he is amazing because he gets fouled a ton. He's like Monta Ellis or Tony Parker that is stronger, but not as good of shooter.

Defensive wise, he is a beast. I'm not biased. Averages near 1.5 SPG, was 3rd in charges took last year, even received a couple of defensive player of the year awards.

But now as we bring up the point, the only reason he is not really a true point guard is because he does not have great playmaking skills. Very average for a point guard. Lucky to be averaging 5.5 APG right now.

 

[dez]

I know Harris is a combo gaurd.....that doesn't mean he won't be an effective PG. All he would need to do in Portland is drive to the lane and dish it out to an open Roy or someone, and occasionaly hit open shots....and he can do both of those things.

If it were that easy, then why doesnt he do it in dallas?

I KNOW first hand that there is WAAAAAy more to being a PG then those 3 things.

1. You have to know where the defense is.
2. You have to know where your teammates are.
3. You have to know what pass to make and exactly where it needs to go.
4. You have to be able to control the game.
5. You have to be BORN a PG. And Devin Harris wasnt born a PG. You can't teach someone how to be a PG if they havent been playing the position all their life.

 

[DJT]

I'll chime in since I watch the Mavericks every single this minute. Besides Barbosa, there is no player as quick as Devin Harris to the hoop. His first step is amazing. He needs to work on his jumper although it has improved a ton over the years, still struggles big time with contested shots. But whenever he gets to the hoop, he is amazing because he gets fouled a ton. He's like Monta Ellis or Tony Parker that is stronger, but not as good of shooter.

Defensive wise, he is a beast. I'm not biased. Averages near 1.5 SPG, was 3rd in charges took last year, even received a couple of defensive player of the year awards.

But now as we bring up the point, the only reason he is not really a true point guard is because he does not have great playmaking skills. Very average for a point guard. Lucky to be averaging 5.5 APG right now.

Well if they had a good big down low, then he would probably be able to get more APG, cause when your driving the defense collapses, but Dallas doesn't have a post presence to get the ball and throw it in.

 

[dez]

Well if they had a good big down low, then he would probably be able to get more APG, cause when your driving the defense collapses, but Dallas doesn't have a post presence to get the ball and throw it in.

Not every good team has a low post presence, but they all have good PG's

Not having a big in the post isnt their problem. They need a PG.

 

[DJT]

Not every good team has a low post presence, but they all have good PG's

Not having a big in the post isnt their problem. They need a PG.

Yea I know. But the kind of player that Harris is would thrive with a good low post presence.

 

[dez]

Yea I know. But the kind of player that Harris is would thrive with a good low post presence.

Okay, so you just proved me right. What makes you think the Blazers would start him? they dont have a guy in the post that is strictly a low post player. Aldridge is the closing thing to that and you can arguably say he's a poor-man's Dirk. Why mess up the Blazer's chemistry with Blake at point and its working, by inserting Harris, a guard that supposedly would thrive at point with a bigman downlow?

Makes no sense to me.....

 

[DJT]

Okay, so you just proved me right. What makes you think the Blazers would start him? they dont have a guy in the post that is strictly a low post player. Aldridge is the closing thing to that and you can arguably say he's a poor-man's Dirk. Why mess up the Blazer's chemistry with Blake at point and its working, by inserting Harris, a guard that supposedly would thrive at point with a bigman downlow?

Makes no sense to me.....

Because he is the best overall out of what they got.

 

[dez]

Because he is the best overall out of what they got.

Now your just tryna get the last word in huh? lol

that makes no sense at all. their winning with Blake, because he fits their system they NEED a pass first PG at the one. Harris at point would disrupt everything.