Bulls, Lakers talking daily about Kobe

[Yankees2772]

IDK guys, I can see the Bulls trading Deng... Sure, he's a stud, but they're having trouble locking him up... If they trade Gordon and whatever for Kobe, it's gonna be a lot more, like ty thomas, noah, and some other salary fillers, so possibly big ben or hinrich or a <Censored>load of other players... Either way, their team becomes pretty much Kobe and Deng... If they still don't want to pay Deng, then he leaves, and next year the bulls become the current Lakers except slightly better.

Honestly, the Lakers can only improve. Sure, making the playoffs consistently is good, but why bother entering a tournament that you know you're going to lose? Right know they've got to go for it all, and shake things up... It's either 2 more years of 6-10th in the west followed by 12-last, or they can go 6-10th now and with some progression over 2 years, 3-6... It seems obvious to me.

 

[bestkeptsecret13]

playmaker7, every team in the league eventually has to rebuild. The Lakers have tried to build around, Kobe it hasn't worked. Keeping him around is just going to hurt the team in the long run, because their young talent can't develop in the current situation, I have no idea how you can't see that. They don't have the pieces to trade for superstars to play alongside Kobe (which has been proven by all the failed attempts such as KG, JO, etc.), so they need to just part ways. Trading Kobe for a some young talent, will let them start fresh and possibly have a good team down the road. Sure, you are gonna have some down years (probably won't even be that bad, since you'll have Lamar Odom + whatever Kobe brings in), but EVERY TEAM goes through it, you can't avoid it, it's gonna happen. The Bulls went into rebuilding mode after Jordan left, it's just something that has to happen at some point.

As for Kobe coming to Chicago, I don't see it happening till the Trade Deadline at the earliest, because Andres Nocioni, who would probably have to be included, can't be traded right now. There's no way the Bulls are parting with Ben Wallace, Luol Deng or Kirk Hinrich, so you can throw all that out the window. If it goes down, it's gonna be Ben Gordon + Andres Nocioni + Tyrus Thomas and/or Joakim Noah and then some draft picks and maybe a guy like Chris Duhon.

 

[playmaker7]

playmaker7, every team in the league eventually has to rebuild. The Lakers have tried to build around, Kobe it hasn't worked. Keeping him around is just going to hurt the team in the long run, because their young talent can't develop in the current situation, I have no idea how you can't see that. They don't have the pieces to trade for superstars to play alongside Kobe (which has been proven by all the failed attempts such as KG, JO, etc.), so they need to just part ways. Trading Kobe for a some young talent, will let them start fresh and possibly have a good team down the road. Sure, you are gonna have some down years (probably won't even be that bad, since you'll have Lamar Odom + whatever Kobe brings in), but EVERY TEAM goes through it, you can't avoid it, it's gonna happen. The Bulls went into rebuilding mode after Jordan left, it's just something that has to happen at some point.

As for Kobe coming to Chicago, I don't see it happening till the Trade Deadline at the earliest, because Andres Nocioni, who would probably have to be included, can't be traded right now. There's no way the Bulls are parting with Ben Wallace, Luol Deng or Kirk Hinrich, so you can throw all that out the window. If it goes down, it's gonna be Ben Gordon + Andres Nocioni + Tyrus Thomas and/or Joakim Noah and then some draft picks and maybe a guy like Chris Duhon.

I know every team rebuilds at some point. And you must not get it, they haven't done anything to build around Kobe. They haven't even tried. Thats what Im saying. Keep your superstar happy by getting players he can work with around him. Thats why I don't want to see him go cuz they can do more to help the team while keeping him. And Jordan retired, he wasn't unhappy...well he was later and Phil Jackson fixed it.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

But the Lakers don't have the pieces to surround Kobe with talent. There's no point in keeping him really, he's as good as gone...

 

[playmaker7]

But the Lakers don't have the pieces to surround Kobe with talent. There's no point in keeping him really, he's as good as gone...

They actually could. But they don't want to give young pieces for some reason. Bynum is improving, but at this point I'd rather have JO or KG than Bynum.

And I still think he isn't going anywhere this season at least. So he's not as good as gone.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

You want him to stay? It's either trade him and get young talent, or don't, have him opt out and get nothing. Seriously, there's not even an option...

 

[playmaker7]

You want him to stay? It's either trade him and get young talent, or don't, have him opt out and get nothing. Seriously, there's not even an option...

When did you get the power to see into the future to know what can be done up to that point or if its 100% certain he'll opt out...

People change their minds...especially Kobe. I know you remember saying he wanted to be traded, then he didnt, then he did, etc.

You never know what moves can be made or if he will be persuaded.

 

[Whisper]

They DON'T want to give up Bynum. Bynum staying means no pieces to bring around Kobe. The franchise DOES NOT want to give away its young players, yet Kobe is being taken on and off the trade block. It's obvious where the direction of this team is going. Ship KB out already.

 

[playmaker7]

They DON'T want to give up Bynum. Bynum staying means no pieces to bring around Kobe. The franchise DOES NOT want to give away its young players, yet Kobe is being taken on and off the trade block. It's obvious where the direction of this team is going. Ship KB out already.

Obviously they won't be able to win a championship with or without Kobe for years and years. They can still give up Odom and others besides Bynum to get pieces.

 

[Whisper]

I don't know if you've noticed, but all the trade talks with Odom, usually involve that big guy that the franchise doesn't want to give away. Odom isn't just going to be given straight up, we're working on packages. But since you're so bent on keeping Kobe around, what scenario's do you have to help build around him?

 

[playmaker7]

I don't know if you've noticed, but all the trade talks with Odom, usually involve that big guy that the franchise doesn't want to give away. Odom isn't just going to be given straight up, we're working on packages. But since you're so bent on keeping Kobe around, what scenario's do you have to help build around him?

I want them to somehow satisfy him by bringing in players he can win with now instead of Odom. And they don't have to be Odom and Bynum. Odom and Cook/Mihm/Brown etc. Stuff like that can happen. I know people value Kwame Brown cuz he was involved in trade talks not long ago...

 

[CameronCrazy06]

And obviously the trade didn't happen because the other team wanted more and the Lakers weren't willing to give it...

 

[playmaker7]

And obviously the trade didn't happen because the other team wanted more and the Lakers weren't willing to give it...

Obviously they should have...

I mean, they could just wait for that beastly Spanish big man they got to develop...

 

[Whisper]

Why're you being ignorant around the situation? Look at the front office is doing, every other laker fan here and even those outside of the Lakeshow can see that building around Kobe is not going to happen. Kobe's not happy, any move that MITCH makes is not going to make him happy. The team is looking to GIVE Kobe away, not build around him. Are you sure you're a Lakers fan rather then just a Kobe fan? What talks are there about building around Kobe? You're going about this as what you want because apparently you don't know the meaning of give and you shall receive, sacrifice it is. It's not like you're 95 years old and are gonna die soon. I've been through the losing seasons before Kobe came and I'll stick around once he's gone. I'm willing to give him away if it means we can start another continuous championship run rather then keeping Kobe around, surrounding him with cannon fodder, and keep getting knocked out of the first round, or maybe make it to the second if we're lucky but then get rocked.

Other teams know about our situation, they know what a tool Mitch is, making trades has been hard enough as it is. They're not going to allow us to build around one of the greatest players in the game that easily.

 

[playmaker7]

Why're you being ignorant around the situation? Look at the front office is doing, every other laker fan here and even those outside of the Lakeshow can see that building around Kobe is not going to happen. Kobe's not happy, any move that MITCH makes is not going to make him happy. The team is looking to GIVE Kobe away, not build around him. Are you sure you're a Lakers fan rather then just a Kobe fan? What talks are there about building around Kobe? You're going about this as what you want because apparently you don't know the meaning of give and you shall receive, sacrifice it is. It's not like you're 95 years old and are gonna die soon. I've been through the losing seasons before Kobe came and I'll stick around once he's gone. I'm willing to give him away if it means we can start another continuous championship run rather then keeping Kobe around, surrounding him with cannon fodder, and keep getting knocked out of the first round, or maybe make it to the second if we're lucky but then get rocked.

Other teams know about our situation, they know what a tool Mitch is, making trades has been hard enough as it is. They're not going to allow us to build around one of the greatest players in the game that easily.

Im a Lakers fan first, then a Kobe fan fyi. They won't win a championship anytime soon even if they do give up Kobe or keep him. Thats a given. The Western Conference is just too strong. And quick question, suppose they do trade Kobe. When do they win a championship? I just wanna know waht you think. Doesn't matter what happens. They won't be able to beat the better teams of the West like the Suns and the Mavericks. They will continue to grow and develop over the years also even if Kobe was traded for future stars. Have you ever taken that into consideration?

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Seriously PM7, give it up. Getting rid of Kobe could be one of the best moves the Lakers front office has made in a long time. They need to sacrifice him and one year of missing the playoffs in order to build a team that can contend a few years from now.

What moves could the Lakers front office make to appease Kobe? KG, JO, Kidd, Artest, AK47, Marion, oppurtunities for all these players have come and gone. The Lakers proved in all those situations that they're not willing to give up enough to complement Kobe with another superstar. Trades like Lamar Odom for Shawn Marion may work in NBA Live, but it doesn't work in real life. Like Whisper said, teams won't just hand the keys to a star player to the Lakers.

If you're not willing to give up Bynum for Kidd, it's obvious you're not willing to do what it takes to make that next step with Kobe on your roster. Seriously, dump Kobe and move on. It's obvious the Lakers can't win with him as the franchise player...

 

[playmaker7]

Seriously PM7, give it up. Getting rid of Kobe could be one of the best moves the Lakers front office has made in a long time. They need to sacrifice him and one year of missing the playoffs in order to build a team that can contend a few years from now.

What moves could the Lakers front office make to appease Kobe? KG, JO, Kidd, Artest, AK47, Marion, oppurtunities for all these players have come and gone. The Lakers proved in all those situations that they're not willing to give up enough to complement Kobe with another superstar. Trades like Lamar Odom for Shawn Marion may work in NBA Live, but it doesn't work in real life. Like Whisper said, teams won't just hand the keys to a star player to the Lakers.

If you're not willing to give up Bynum for Kidd, it's obvious you're not willing to do what it takes to make that next step with Kobe on your roster. Seriously, dump Kobe and move on. It's obvious the Lakers can't win with him as the franchise player...

I'm not giving up on my idea until the day Kobe actually leaves, not cuz some rumor says he'll be gone for Gasol and more in the next week or Gordon and Deng by the end of november.

I know the opportunities have come and gone. But you never know what can happen. Stop being a pesimist and let things play out how they will.

And obviously they won't win with him gone. No matter how long the players will have to develop. They aren't gonna win a title anytime soon or even later unless the Lakers move into the Eastern Conference.

Like Im saying, just let thing plays out. Then discuss. Don't consider him gone cuz he's playing in LA this season.

 

[Whisper]

I just think that you're spoiled by the tradition of LA is always supposed to be championship bound. Like I said, it's called SACRIFICE. I don't expect to win a championship anytime soon once Kobe walks off, anyone with a brain should be able to tell that it's going to take seasons to come. Every team goes through a slump, long ones if needed.

Like you said, the WC is just too strong, hell I brought that up in other threads, say we do SOMEHOW build around Kobe, what makes you think that we're championship bound? Say that the fantasy team you're thinking of for Kobe happens, we trade away our young guys and draft picks but yet fails to win the championship in our tough conference. Kobe just walks off and we're left with NOTHING. At least we could look forward to something by the rebuild process. You seem to be happy with just making the first round then getting knocked off. I'm not.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Sure if they trade Kobe they won't win a championship this season. But if they don't trade Kobe and he just walks a way, will they ever win again? I mean picture the Lakers without Kobe now. How good is that team? You have to get some kind of value for him. Gordon, Thomas, Nocioni, and Noah are all good players that will help the Lakers win a few years down the road. Which three year stretch would you rather have? -

2007: 40 wins
2008: 40 wins
2009: 20 wins

2007: 30 wins
2008: 45 wins
2009: 50 wins

Like I said, there really isn't an option...

 

[playmaker7]

I just think that you're spoiled by the tradition of LA is always supposed to be championship bound. Like I said, it's called SACRIFICE. I don't expect to win a championship anytime soon once Kobe walks off, anyone with a brain should be able to tell that it's going to take seasons to come. Every team goes through a slump, long ones if needed.

Like you said, the WC is just too strong, hell I brought that up in other threads, say we do SOMEHOW build around Kobe, what makes you think that we're championship bound? Say that the fantasy team you're thinking of for Kobe happens, we trade away our young guys and draft picks but yet fails to win the championship in our tough conference. Kobe just walks off and we're left with NOTHING. At least we could look forward to something by the rebuild process. You seem to be happy with just making the first round then getting knocked off. I'm not.

Sacrifice won't help them win a championship...IDC how long it is. Also, Im not spoiled by the tradition. I don't believe any city is always championship bound cuz you never know what will happen. Just like LA, none of us know what will truly happen.

Yes the West is too strong, and if they build around Kobe they still won't get anywhere unless they make sacrifices like you said IE giving up Bynum. I've said it before, Kobe will not win another championship unless he gets a good running mate. So until then or if ever, the Lakers won't go anywhere even if they keep Kobe. And Im not thinking of a fantasy team to build Kobe around, Im thinking of some solid big man who will be a prescence. Thats it. Someone to run with Kobe. Also, say they do get rid of him and eventually go to the Finals but get knocked it. Does that satisfy you one bit? I mean, both walk away with nothing, a 1st round knockout and a Finals knockout. So I mean, its the same either way. IDC really if they get knocked out in the 1st round of the West cuz most likely they'll be matched up with a team in the upper echelon of the West.

But like I've been saying, just let things play out.