League Sources Say Bulls Have Begun Shopping Jimmy Butler

[Big Bid'Ness]

The Chicago Bulls are shopping star forward Jimmy Butler, according to Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report.

Bucher says the Bulls are uncertain about building their team around Butler and will begin listening to trade offers for their star forward.

Stay tuned for more updates.

 

[Hurricane Season]

 

[Pugz]

the playoff push!

 

[bosoxlover12]

rip r/bostonceltics

 

[Hurricane Season]

Remember earlier when I said Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown were great pieces?
 
You go fuck yourself, Boston.

 

[Hurricane Season]

Actually, fuck it.
 
A lot of Boston fans think Jimmy will be their Lebron stopper.  I'll allow him to go to Boston just to watch the disappointment. 

 

[Dannyboy77]

Bucher is terrible with sources. Idk if this is true. But as a die hard Bulls fan he should be available for the RIGHT deal. I don't see him being dealt midseason unless we get a miraculous offer. Would make more sense to see how the lotto goes. If he's gone then so is Wade.
 
We should've dealt him last offseason and did a total rebuild. Would've rather had Boston's Jaylen Brown pick, Smart and Nets 2017 (Assuming Boston would've done it).

 

[Pugz]

hes supposedly not being shopped but they are fielding calls. whatever the difference is.

 

[Giantmetfan07]

Thats their way if shopping him but not pissing off butler.

Unless he wants out? Idk i havent paid much attention this season tbh.

 

[Pugz]

that should still get a player upset, if they dont want to be traded. the way the media twists words but in the end, mean the same thing is dumb. bucher is terrible tho

 

[bosoxlover12]

Bucher is terrible with sources. Idk if this is true. But as a die hard Bulls fan he should be available for the RIGHT deal. I don't see him being dealt midseason unless we get a miraculous offer. Would make more sense to see how the lotto goes. If he's gone then so is Wade.
 
We should've dealt him last offseason and did a total rebuild. Would've rather had Boston's Jaylen Brown pick, Smart and Nets 2017 (Assuming Boston would've done it).

From what I heard around Draft Day, the Celtics were willing to move at most #3, Crowder, and Smart. Not Avery Bradley, not the 2017 1st either.
 
Ainge was not moving #3 and the 2017 Brooklyn 1st for Butler

 

[buzzy]

Ainge needs to get over himself. This is a superstar driven league, you overpay to get them. You can replace role players, you can't replace star players. If you have the chance to get these players you have to pull the trigger at some point.

 

[Mexi]

Exactly buzzy
The whole point of assets is to overpay

But ainge is very stingy

 

[cavsfan817]

So sick of hearing all about the celtics' "assets"

 

[elcheato]

Crowder for Butler straight up.

 

[Pugz]

#ASSets

 

[bosoxlover12]

Ainge needs to get over himself. This is a superstar driven league, you overpay to get them. You can replace role players, you can't replace star players. If you have the chance to get these players you have to pull the trigger at some point.

at the same time, lets say you accept the bulls offer this draft (#3, Bradley, Jae, 2017 1st, Smart for Butler)
Does Thomas - Butler - SF - Horford - Johnson get you any closer to winning a title? Or for gods sake, even get you past Lebron? Not even close. 
 
What Boston is most likely doing is playing for 2019, while maintaining a fanbase. (TL;DR at the bottom of the page)
 
Back in 2006-07, the Celtics viewership was horrid. We had the worst record in the East, Doc was almost ready to be fired, and then we fell 3 spots in the lottery for Oden/Durant and got stuck with a projected Corey Brewer or Jeff Green. What was a basketball town in the 1980s was only going to never be a basketball town again. So the Celtics flip Green to Seattle for Ray Allen, which is then enough of a push in the right direction to convince Garnett to allow a trade (his expiring contract acted similar to a NTC essentially).
 
And then we went on a tear for the next five seasons, regaining relevancy in the NBA. The Celtics were considered one of the top teams in the league. And then everyone got old as shit, and we were terrible the next year, going 41-40 (a game v IND was cancelled iirc), and lost in 5 to the Knicks. So the Celtics strip down from the core, ship Pierce and KG off to Brooklyn, and start a rebuild.
 
But while first year HC Brad Stevens looked nice, the team was hard to watch. We were ass, led by Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo, and we again lost viewers. So at the trade deadline period of the following season, the Celtics were falling back to their post-Bird reputation of a team that just was not worth watching. Attendance was dropping at the TD Garden, and things weren't looking good for Boston. So we went out and traded for Isaiah Thomas to possibly get a spark. And they did -- going 20-10 to finish out the season, and squeaking into the playoffs. And we continuously got better, until this point now, where we're established as a Top 4 team in the East. But its not enough and that's the unfortunate truth.
 
So while the Celtics could move their young guys and picks for Jimmy Butler, its still not going to go anywhere. Instead, they got one of the rarest opportunities in NBA History -- Rebuild while winning. They had the full luxury to be as good of a team as possible and win as many games as possible, because they fleeced Brooklyn so hard that they knew back at the end of the 2014 season that Brooklyn would be awful and essentially do the tanking for Boston. And that's exactly what has happened so far -- Boston got #3 last year, probably Top 4 this year, and one would presume a Top 4-5 next year too. All going to Boston. Granted, the 2016 Draft was a 2 man draft and #3 is more like #12-14 this year, but there wasn't much to do about that from Boston's end. I was fully advocating around draft time to flip the #3 to Philly for the Lakers 2017 which looks like a #6-9 pick now (i was hoping Top 3). 
 
 
TL;DR: Celtics put themselves in the position they needed to be in. Either the pieces fall into place, and someone comes available that can help defeat Cleveland (Boogie, Blake), or you wait it out, and as the contracts on the current team expire there is a whole new young crowd of players to start off the new team with.

 

[bosoxlover12]

Granted, I definitely contributed towards the mindset of Boston going all-in, but it didn't help that every single member of the media was pushing towards it happening as well. Jimmy isn't good enough to make the Celtics win. There might not be anyone available to do that, tbh.
 
So let Boston run Isaiah and Bradley for another 2 seasons, and as they expire maybe they have Markelle Fultz and some 2018 Draft phenom to start the new Celtics era in.
 
 
And also lets be quite real here. If Durant decided to sign in Boston over GS we'd be in a lot different of a place than we are right now. Horford/Crowder/Durant/Bradley/Thomas could have competed for a title. It didn't happen, and it won't ever happen anymore, so the Celtics have to move on to Plan B, which looks like it'll be a rebuild with our next two Brooklyn picks as headliners

 

[Dannyboy77]

at the same time, lets say you accept the bulls offer this draft (#3, Bradley, Jae, 2017 1st, Smart for Butler)
Does Thomas - Butler - SF - Horford - Johnson get you any closer to winning a title? Or for gods sake, even get you past Lebron? Not even close. 
 
What Boston is most likely doing is playing for 2019, while maintaining a fanbase. (TL;DR at the bottom of the page)
 
Back in 2006-07, the Celtics viewership was horrid. We had the worst record in the East, Doc was almost ready to be fired, and then we fell 3 spots in the lottery for Oden/Durant and got stuck with a projected Corey Brewer or Jeff Green. What was a basketball town in the 1980s was only going to never be a basketball town again. So the Celtics flip Green to Seattle for Ray Allen, which is then enough of a push in the right direction to convince Garnett to allow a trade (his expiring contract acted similar to a NTC essentially).
 
And then we went on a tear for the next five seasons, regaining relevancy in the NBA. The Celtics were considered one of the top teams in the league. And then everyone got old as shit, and we were terrible the next year, going 41-40 (a game v IND was cancelled iirc), and lost in 5 to the Knicks. So the Celtics strip down from the core, ship Pierce and KG off to Brooklyn, and start a rebuild.
 
But while first year HC Brad Stevens looked nice, the team was hard to watch. We were ass, led by Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo, and we again lost viewers. So at the trade deadline period of the following season, the Celtics were falling back to their post-Bird reputation of a team that just was not worth watching. Attendance was dropping at the TD Garden, and things weren't looking good for Boston. So we went out and traded for Isaiah Thomas to possibly get a spark. And they did -- going 20-10 to finish out the season, and squeaking into the playoffs. And we continuously got better, until this point now, where we're established as a Top 4 team in the East. But its not enough and that's the unfortunate truth.
 
So while the Celtics could move their young guys and picks for Jimmy Butler, its still not going to go anywhere. Instead, they got one of the rarest opportunities in NBA History -- Rebuild while winning. They had the full luxury to be as good of a team as possible and win as many games as possible, because they fleeced Brooklyn so hard that they knew back at the end of the 2014 season that Brooklyn would be awful and essentially do the tanking for Boston. And that's exactly what has happened so far -- Boston got #3 last year, probably Top 4 this year, and one would presume a Top 4-5 next year too. All going to Boston. Granted, the 2016 Draft was a 2 man draft and #3 is more like #12-14 this year, but there wasn't much to do about that from Boston's end. I was fully advocating around draft time to flip the #3 to Philly for the Lakers 2017 which looks like a #6-9 pick now (i was hoping Top 3). 
 
 
TL;DR: Celtics put themselves in the position they needed to be in. Either the pieces fall into place, and someone comes available that can help defeat Cleveland (Boogie, Blake), or you wait it out, and as the contracts on the current team expire there is a whole new young crowd of players to start off the new team with.

Totally hope you guys offer that haha. I agree. That's not enough to best lebron. Well keeping Jae would help a lot in that scenario. If so y'all wouldn't be far off. Would need a couple more good role guys.

 

[Paulius]

Lol