Jameer Nelson

[jonathanlambert33]

I believe Orlando can get to the Finals, but I don't think they can win it with Jameer Nelson. Maybe he'd be solid coming off the bench, but they need a actual point guard and not a shooting guard playing point. Problem is, they got Arenas coming off the bench. Look at his last two games. Vs the Hornets he scored only 2 points and had 10 dimes. Against OKC he had 9 points and 6 dimes.

Look at his opponents though. Chris Paul had 12 points, 13 assists, 5 boards, and only 1 to. Russell Westbrook had 32 points, 13 assists, 10 boards, and only 1 to.

Jameer Nelson just is not a point that can lead Orlando to a title.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Like you say this, but look at some of the recent champion point guards: Derek Fisher, Rajon Rondo (before he became an All-Star), Jason Williams, etc. If you have the parts at other positions, you don't need an elite PG. Plus Jameer Nelson is very good and Gilbert Arenas is a great backup spark off the bench. If the Magic lose in the playoffs, it'll be because they are over-reliant on the three, or if Dwight doesn't produce either because of struggling or foul trouble.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

Like you say this, but look at some of the recent champion point guards: Derek Fisher, Rajon Rondo (before he became an All-Star), Jason Williams, etc. If you have the parts at other positions, you don't need an elite PG. Plus Jameer Nelson is very good and Gilbert Arenas is a great backup spark off the bench. If the Magic lose in the playoffs, it'll be because they are over-reliant on the three, or if Dwight doesn't produce either because of struggling or foul trouble.

But the majority of those guys are pass first point guards. Nelson is a shooting guard playing point guard. He's a mediocre distributor and only a average defender. If the Magic had a pass first point guard, to get Dwight, Hedo, Richardson, Redick, etc etc involved they'd be nearly unstoppable. I'm not saying Nelson is a bad player, I'm saying he's just not the type of point the Magic need.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

He's a shoot first point guard, but saying he isn't the type of point guard the Magic need is completely wrong. The Magic's offense thrives on getting the ball in to Dwight Howard and then either him scoring/getting fouled or him kicking it out to shooters. Plus the Magic have Hedo Turkoglu, who is a great passer at the SF position. I think Nelson fits the Magic system perfectly, although I will agree he needs to improve on defense (that's a lot due to his size though).

 

[Elite]

I believe Orlando can get to the Finals, but I don't think they can win it with Jameer Nelson. Maybe he'd be solid coming off the bench, but they need a actual point guard and not a shooting guard playing point. Problem is, they got Arenas coming off the bench. Look at his last two games. Vs the Hornets he scored only 2 points and had 10 dimes. Against OKC he had 9 points and 6 dimes.

Look at his opponents though. Chris Paul had 12 points, 13 assists, 5 boards, and only 1 to. Russell Westbrook had 32 points, 13 assists, 10 boards, and only 1 to.

Jameer Nelson just is not a point that can lead Orlando to a title.

His defense isn't amazing, but putting up stats of players as good as CP3 and Russell Westbrook and then faulting him for it isn't exactly fair. They're two of the best guys at the position.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

His defense isn't amazing, but putting up stats of players as good as CP3 and Russell Westbrook and then faulting him for it isn't exactly fair. They're two of the best guys at the position.

I disagree. Both of those guys are in the West, but come playoff time that's the type of point guard he'll have to face to get to the Finals. Maybe not in the first round, but he'll come into contact with a topflight point at some point.

Check it out:
Boston- Rondo
Miami- Arroyo
Chicago- Rose
Atlanta- Bibby
New York- Felton
Indiana- Collison
Charlotte- Augustin

San Antonio- Parker
LA Lakers- Fisher
Dallas- Kidd
OKC- Westbrook
Utah- Williams
New Orleans- Paul
Denver- Billups
Portland- Miller

Rondo, Rose, Felton, Parker, Kidd, Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Billups. That's a lot of good point guards. Then you got guys like Collison and Augustin who have both proved that they can get it done. Then you got vets like Bibby and Miller who can use their experience to take advantage.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

I disagree. Both of those guys are in the West, but come playoff time that's the type of point guard he'll have to face to get to the Finals. Maybe not in the first round, but he'll come into contact with a topflight point at some point.

Check it out:
Boston- Rondo
Miami- Arroyo
Chicago- Rose
Atlanta- Bibby
New York- Felton
Indiana- Collison
Charlotte- Augustin

San Antonio- Parker
LA Lakers- Fisher
Dallas- Kidd
OKC- Westbrook
Utah- Williams
New Orleans- Paul
Denver- Billups
Portland- Miller

Rondo, Rose, Felton, Parker, Kidd, Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Billups. That's a lot of good point guards. Then you got guys like Collison and Augustin who have both proved that they can get it done. Then you got vets like Bibby and Miller who can use their experience to take advantage.

You are looking at it so wrong though. First of all, when it comes to the playoffs, out of all those good PGs in the West, he's only going to have to play ONE of them. Second of all, you're acting like Nelson is a liability on the court. He's a former All-Star, he can play the game of basketball. Even if he was, basketball is a five-man team. Probably gonna have to go against Felton in round 1, who Nelson has done FINE with in head-to-head matchups, including taking part in SWEEPING HIS TEAM in the playoffs last year. Nelson is not going to cost this team a playoff series. If the Magic lose in the playoffs it will be for the same reason it has in the past three years: because Dwight cannot carry this team if they don't shoot threes well.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

You are looking at it so wrong though. First of all, when it comes to the playoffs, out of all those good PGs in the West, he's only going to have to play ONE of them. Second of all, you're acting like Nelson is a liability on the court. He's a former All-Star, he can play the game of basketball. Even if he was, basketball is a five-man team. Probably gonna have to go against Felton in round 1, who Nelson has done FINE with in head-to-head matchups, including taking part in SWEEPING HIS TEAM in the playoffs last year. Nelson is not going to cost this team a playoff series. If the Magic lose in the playoffs it will be for the same reason it has in the past three years: because Dwight cannot carry this team if they don't shoot threes well.

1- Rondo, Rose, Felton, all in East. You can possibly add Chauncey to that list at some point.
2- I'm not acting like he's a liability, just think he isn't the type of point the Magic need.
3- Please don't talk about the Magic vs Bobcats, that's not fair.

Have you ever stopped to think that the reason is more than just Howard? But the inability for Nelson to actually get the Magic offense into a set? Go back and watch the past two games, he can't get his team into a set consistently. They have to rely on Hedo or another player to do that. Nelson can't get the team into a set because he's a blacktop type player.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

But the reason Hedo is effective is because he is a point forward. He can run the offense too. Even if your argument were correct about Nelson, when they last had Hedo, they made the Finals, and this team is much better than that one. Plus, you're basing this off of two games against two of the top 5 point guards in the league.

And you're talking about offensive sets, but you need to simply realize what the Magic offense is. Swing the ball around, shoot a quick three or work it into Howard. He either goes up or kicks it back out. That's basically Magic basketball in a nutshell.

And I didn't want to mention Magic vs. Bobcats or anything like that, but you're bringing up names of good point guards, Nelson's beaten some of those PGs before. Felton, Bibby, and Andre Miller, plus the Magic beat the Celtics with Rafer Alston as the PG (I know KG was out). This is a good Magic basketball team that won't falter because of Nelson, especially now that Gilbert Arenas is on the team.

 

[jonathanlambert33]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Mexi]

i thikn they'd be better off starting Gil and having Jameer on the bench, but thats juts me

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Lol weren't you the one who also said they should start Q-Rich over J-Rich hahaha.

 

[Mexi]

meh
i was just trying to strengthen the bench some

like why the hell are the bulls starting Bogans?
why the fuck are the Mavs starting Cardinal?
why are the celtics starting Scal instead of Davis in years past when KG was hurt

jut put someone who sucks with the bench with the teams good players to keep the bench strong

it's good sometimes

 

[bestkeptsecret13]

like why the hell are the bulls starting Bogans?

I wish there was a good answer for this. Sadly, there's not. Bogans is god awful, but at least now he isn't playing a lot of minutes, just getting a few at the start of the 1st and 3rd quarters. Still, I'd rather move Korver to the SG for those minutes and see what James Johnson can do at the 3. He can't be any worse than Bogans, and honestly, I think he's got some potential still.

 

[CameronCrazy06]

Yeah but there's no point in strengthening the bench if you weaken the starters to do it. Q-Rich gets NO playing time.

 

[Mexi]

I wish there was a good answer for this. Sadly, there's not. Bogans is god awful, but at least now he isn't playing a lot of minutes, just getting a few at the start of the 1st and 3rd quarters. Still, I'd rather move Korver to the SG for those minutes and see what James Johnson can do at the 3. He can't be any worse than Bogans, and honestly, I think he's got some potential still.

johnson is taller, more athletic, and a better shooter
Bogans is ok defensively, and you know how much Thibs loves D. he's just his kind of player
i feel the same way about Luke Walton. Phil LOVES Luke

 

[bestkeptsecret13]

johnson is taller, more athletic, and a better shooter
Bogans is ok defensively, and you know how much Thibs loves D. he's just his kind of player
i feel the same way about Luke Walton. Phil LOVES Luke

Bogans might have been OK defensively in the past, but honestly, this year he's looked like shit. I'd rather let Ronnie Brewer be out there playing D on Wade, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Manu, and the other great SG's.